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By your own arguements in other topics that isn't 100% canonocal then is it. Lucas says a lot of things.

For example, I think Ray Park is still waiting for a phone call following Lucas's announcement at an awards ceremony that he was in Episode-II...

Not by my own argument at all, RC. What GL says is always canon, as the Production and Continuity department said. He never said such a line about Maul, that was all misinterpretation. IF GL says something he doesbn't mean, he corrects it quickly.

Besides, you only need the vaguest amount of common sense to have to accept his line as true. It was VERY clear and VERY direct.

Ush, that is such a crock. How can something that isn't in screen be 100% canonical? Simple, it can't. It goes against the whole concept of canon.

Canon is ENTIRELY up to the department to decide. That is its ONLY definition. If they want something never screened to be canon, then it IS. Where is it written that Canon has to be filmed? That's not how it works at all. That's a very odd view you have; in any case it is factually wrong.

Excuse me, but you're saying that anything that Lucas poips up with in some press conference in the back on no where like tunis is canon.

I can't accept that at all because that means that nothing can be canon beause you just said that Lucas can change it at any time, therefore canon goes out the window.

The point I am making is that this statement about Vader being a weaker fighter because of his injuries is totally unfounded. We don't even have a clear understanding of what those injuries are, once again we have theories, but nothing else.

I can't accept your concept of canon. Where does Lucas's "Press Conference Canon2 fit into your previously stated pecking order then?

Look, canon rights BELONG to Lucas. He has left the running of that to one of his departments, but the fact remains that anything he says about the story IS canon unless he subsequently changes it. GL has made it very clear that none of the three Jedi in the CLassic Trilogy could fight properly- An Old Man, a Cripple, and an Untrained Boy- and that immediately becomes canon.

The previously stated order is how direct story-based continuity works, that's all.

If GL wants to 'fire something from the canon', as it were, he can (e.g. Splinter of the Mind's Eye has been removed from EU canon). Canon is not necessarily set in stone, it is ENTIRELY up to him, and it ends there.

Like I say, you just need common sense for this one.

Ush, if you have to resolt to insults to make your poiint then I will close the topic.

Please back up your claims with referencnes to this "canonical" sources.

You previously stated order was in direct relation to Star wars and EU. Are you withdrawing that statement now that it doesn't fit too well?

The whole point of a canon is that it is set in stone, this allows the story to maintain a structure that does not contradict itself. Yes, changes can be made, but they have to be researched within the existing canon for conflicts. Thus, any throwaway statements made by Lucas at a press conference or interview can not always be relied upon.

I am doing no such thing, RC I previously stated the storyline canonicity order, that's all. It was very simple

The ONLY point of canon is that it sets what is and isn't the story. Nothing more.

GL controls that story. He sets it. SO he sets canon. He can change it in a blink of an eye if he wants, it is HIS.

There is no other requiremnet for canon whatsoever.

Of course, we would HOPE that he only makes these decisions after careful consideration... and I beleive he does.

Actually, it's Lucasfilms. There is a difference.

GL owns the canon rights. He just delegates. In any case, the C&P department seems happy to take what he says as canon, so that's the end of that. You can disagree with their methods, but you cannot change the fact that it is up to them.

[ May 07, 2001: Message edited by: Ushgarak ]

Still waiting for those references though...

I haven't seen one thing that actually backs up anything you've said. You insist that it is done this way, but you can'tt back it up. Therefore, until you do, you arguement is only as strong, or indeed as weak, as mine.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. Feel free to check it out with the P&C department if you want.

Quite why you'd think I'd make it up, though, is beyond me.

[ May 07, 2001: Message edited by: Ushgarak ]

Ush, it's not that I don't believe you. But if you are going to make statements like that, then you need to be prepared to back them up with referecnes if disputed.

My point isn't really about the canon, that was a side track. My point was that I have never heard this reference to Vaders fighting ability and you seemed unwilling to back that up with facts.

As I already said, when interviewed anbout Jedi fighting techniques in the Prequels, GL said that all we had seen fight so far was a Cripple, an Old Man, and an Untrained Boy. He said that the Prequel Era combatants will be far more skilled. What more did you want?

By reference I meant, Where is this documented, recorded , etc. A Magazine, a video? Where can I find this statement made?

Blimey, this is a while ago now. I saw the interview referenced in SFX. It was in Insider, I think, but I can't swear to it. I thought it was a well-known quote, though.

New to me.

Really? Oh well. He DID say it.

Well, I'll have to take your word for it, but that doesn't mean I accept it...

Damn, all I can get from the sabre nutter's site is 'GL has said this', there's no direct reference.

Quite why you have a problem with that statement, though, I don't know. It is very clear that Vader's fighting ability is much lower than the combatants in TPM and, presumably, the next two films. The guy is a wreck.