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Actually, I think it's more a difference in style in some ways. We still don't knonw to what extent he will have been trained.

That IS true. However, for whatever reason, Vader's fighting in ESB and ROTJ- and Luke's fighting likewise- would be easily beaten by any one of the three TPM combatants, even Obi-Wan's reckless style...

We'll have to see how well he fights in EPII, then we can assess these claims about reduced fighting skill, etc.

Well, I guess so. I'm assuming that Anakin will be quite a hard nut, though, especailly by Ep. III

Prepare to be surprised then.

You think he'll be no good in a fight?

Now as for the injuries, they are canon AND filmed. In the flash frames when Vader is hit by lightning in ROTJ it shows what injuries he has. Half his body seems to be replaced by metal and so is part of his neck. Juicy details but check them out. I was read through an extremely long site with all these details showing enhancements of these flash frames. Not surprising that he turned at least a little slower. So I'm backing up Ush on this one. Sorry, RC.

Yeah, I always thought it was assumed that Vader's skill had diminished. And there is no doubt that Anakin will be great with the saber, just not better than Obi-Wan. We know that sometime in EP III Anakin and Obi-Wan and that Obi-Wan wins. But if Anakin is the Choosen One then I'm sure his lightsaber skills are very good, just not as good as a fully trained Jedi Knight like Kenobi.

We are MOSTLY sure of such a fight, not absolutely certain...

Well, in ANH Vader says to Ben "last time we met I was but the learner, now I am the master" so I assume that means they fought before and that Obi-Wan wins.

Yes, it is generally accepted. Speculation has it that during this epic fight, Anakin gets injured as much as he did.

The Injuries site can be found on TF.N by the way.

I was playing Rougue Squadron and noticed that on the game the planet Sullust is very volcanic. I know its just a game, but it was mentioned in ROTJ so could this be the site of the famous duel?

Where the Rebel fleet met? Hum...

In any case, I think all bets are still off as to what any final confrontation will be.

That said, things like Coruscant and the name Palpatine made it to film... even the term 'Sith' did...

On the other hand, the Owen Lars as Obi-Wan's briother thing has almost certainly GONE, so...

Like I said at first, all bets are off...

I never said the injuries didn't exist, I'm fully aware of them. I'm just saying that they may not be caused in the way rumoured.

If Lucas did want to flip us all upsiode down, what better way than to drop the Lava pit idea?

As to all bets off, surely all bets are on as nothing has been cast in stone yet? Anything could happen so all bets are valid... 😕

It's just a saying, RC... must I explain?

I know, but I think you got it rounf the wrong way. I thought "All bets are off" meant that either the result was known or there was never going to be a result.

In this instance, there definately will be a ruslt and we don't know what it is yet. Therefore betting is open.....

Nah. It means the odds can no longer be calculated (too many variables), so the bookies won't take bets.

You sure? Ok, I'll take you word for it.

It would be very unrealistic, I always thought you were instantly incinerated if youhad a brush with lava. Watch that Volcano film, your "crude matter" would melt in a matter of seconds, regardless of how strong you were with the Force.

Yeah, what he said...