Yeah, most of the stuff is done because it is partly created by WB and they have to fund it...PLus, just as burlyman said, you have to take ETM, Animatrix, Matrix online, etc. off because those are part of the idea of W-ski bros, have been since the beginning. Because the movies are created by WB, of course there are going to be things such as the Powerade bottles, etc promoting the movie, but im talking about the plot, idea, created by the Wachowski's...they care about the movie first, the fans second, and not about the "gross". So, news is, its not...
Burly & Jedi> take etm, animatrix, and matrix online off your list!!
Why? They are a product of Hollywood. They are a tie in to the movie. Whether the Wach. bros. thought of them originally, whether they were part of a deal to do the other movies (pushed by WB or the WBs doesn't matter), doesn't matter. They are there to produce money. To be bought, to entice you to go see the movie, etc. Spiderman, The Hulk, even James Bond now have video games attached to them. I wouldn't take it off their list of tie-ins. Why should I do it with the Matrix?
Originally posted by rysdigital
its called franchise (did you NOTICE this forum is in the subsection movie franchises? all of what you said has nothing to do with the matrix being 'hollywoodanized'. it's simple, people who make movies do so to entertain people AND make money. go jerk off to some shitty 'cultural films' on festivals if you can't handle commercialism.
Did you even bother to read the original posts? You'd see that I was responding to someone elses post on whether the movie was Hollywoodainzed. I never said I liked it or didn't like it. Seems like you jump to conclusions pretty damn quick.
Jedi> I agree it is not a typical Hollywood movie in terms of plot, simple happy ending, etc. It definetely has some of that going on, but no where near to the extent most other movies do (again Spiderman, Hulk, James Bond, etc.)
If it has hollywood-like qualities, it is because hollywood ripped it off from story-telling archetypes, which are as old as speaking itself. These archetypes are seen in Star Wars, to name the most prevalent, in that the archetypes are used for specific roles, plot, etc. such as wise councilor, hero, heroine, sidekick, etc, all were created before Hollywood, so if Matrix has these qualities, it is not "Hollywoodanized", it is good story-telling. Also, about ETM, and animatrix, they were on the collective conciousness that is wachowski brothers since before Matrix came out, because, like burlyman said, they are HUGE fans of anime, video games, comics, etc. and it is a way to provide more of the story than is desired through just movies...some things are better presented in story form, some video game, some anime...SO, no, they were not subject to "Hollywoodanization" because they are simply good ideas, that were thought of before WB came along...
Well, I’ll readily admit that movies can become TOO commercialised for their own good. I remember trying to dig my way out of the pile of merchandise prior to “The phantom Menace”, to find the coffee-mug better than the movie.
The thing is: Reloaded cost and arm and a leg. Actors and actresses actually went down in salary to make it happen (Tank’s player excluded), and you see a lot of “spotting”, the cars, motorcycles etc. The W-brothers needed the money.
And Warner Brothers will squeeze the movie until it doesn’t breathe anymore.
Too commercialised? Hell, yeah. But as long as it doesn’t dictate the story, I’ll survive. It’s not the Wachowski’s who’re in charge of commercialising it.
Omega> Amen.
Teunis> (shoots hand in the air) I Would be very upset if Trinity died. Personally I love her character (for the same reasons as Omega). She's tough, smart, persistent, good looking, and Dang -- she's tough! Two of my favorite lines:
"Sample This," and "Give me five minutes and I'll tear that whole [explitve deleted] building down."
Whew.... Goosebumps. She'd do anything for Neo (and he'd do anything for her). Dang I'd love a girl like that. So I'd be sad to see her go. Why?? She's not going anywhere is she?? Korri, be quiet -- this is Not a good thing. Oh, my dreams are crushed. Please tell me Niobe will be ok. Wait a minute. That just made me think. Where is Niobe's cool name? Trinity, Neo, Morpheus, Link, Ghost, etc. They all have different names. hmmm. Oh well, I digress. Back to Trin... Whaaaaa 😮
On top of that, we all know about the plans for the Multiplayer video game which will come out later. WB has done a great job of taking a successful movie and developed a large following. To capitalize on that following, they are creating a MMG. I would not be surprised if the game cost $40-$60 to buy and after a certain period, you have to pay monthly for access to the game. Think about $5.00 a month from 1,000,000 people. That's $60,000,000 a year.
Multiplayer game? Whats this? Someone fill me in, I don't know anything about this...
its the MMORPG thats coming out, Matrix Online...It will be huge, similar to Galaxies, except Matrix and not SW...
Niobe: a queen of Thebes, daughter of Tantalus, who, weeping for her slain children, is turned into a stone from which tears coninue to flow...
Did Niobe and Morpheus have children...?
SimplePriest> We'd ALL love a girl like that, esp. if she's Natalie Portman or Carrie-Ann Moss... 😱 ✅
Trinity possibly a bad character?
Notice in the Matrix that smith gets owned in the first one when neo dives into him, however he remains with part of neo's code overwriting his, if zion is a program then what about trinity, neo saved her life when she was shot and revived her so could part of his program overwrite hers? remember that the asian dude before the oracle meeting says that u really dont know a person until u fight them. Also notice how on the freeway when the keymaster gets off the bike they let her go but all agents go after anyone enterign the matrix.
He is saying that in the second movie during the freeway chase, when Trinity leaves by herself on the motorbike, after having dropped of the key maker, the agents don't start chasing her, they just let her go, but they usually chase any outcast that has entered the matrix. Maybe she's a bad character.