i've seen the animatrix on acid shrooms X 'n' herbs that's an awsome movie and the enter the matrix game was awsome even though it didn't follow the story line completly.
what if: it's a matrix in a matrix?Neo's a program? The real world is a lie.Could mr smith have been the ONE once?
Retina:Neo is not a machine although he could control a machine within a matrix. he is not a machine as he is released from the matrix in the first movie. it would have been pointless to show this scene if it was not the case, otherwise there infinte matricies and it's a waste of our time to consider the difference between knowing the real world and the matrix and what their differences are. i will be very dissapointed with the film if they hinge the success of the whole film and in that the very conclusion on just one big twist at the end, that would be too much like hollywood for me.
i think we will see Neo have to unplug the matrix, to discontinue it, sever everybody in it, sacrafice everybody to continue human existance. this would could off the energy for the aliens and they would perish. humanity would be reborn if trinity survives or whoever to procreate. this would tie in with Keanus quote "matrix Ressurection". Then again that could mean any number of things, how far does your imagination stretch? It has always been apparent that they have made Neo out to be a Messiah, a saviour, what did Christ do? Sacraficed his life for us and was Reborn more powerful - Obi Wan Kenobi, Jesus Christ (although the latter really did happen (think about that if you like the matrix, your choice anyway....) there will be a huge clash of Agent Smith against Neo. I think this will parallel a fight between Zion and the sentinels.
this is where I think the film will lose it's appeal. If agent smith is copying himself and irradicating everythingelse in the matrix and also downloading himself into the supposed real world and Neo must fight him. It could be that Neo having been a hacker, is a virus as is Agent Smith. Agent smith complained in the first film of how humans inhabit an area an multiply until all resources are wasted, a virus. Agent Smith was a program that has now become a problem (or possibly a fix - a patch designed by the Architecte to rid the Matrix of Neo but the Arch does not say anything to support this). Neo could be a virus aswell. I think everything depends on the Oracle, has she been leading him into a trap, is everything going to finish up with him waking up in real life and saying "woahh", YOU HOPE NOT, RIGHT! in the first, Neo is led to believe he is not the 1 by the Oracle and this allows him to develop. In the second the war is still happening and he has developed more and he still thinks that everything is a lie, but if it was and the Oracel was leading him astray then he would not have become so powerful. I think he will either have to sacrafice his own life willingly or everybodyelses. I think it's revolution as in war cos guess what, that's what's going on in the film unless you are blind.
jack:A few things I have wondered and noticed, and that I can not answer is that why is Matrix Reloaded called Matrix Reloaded? As far as we know, it hasn't been reloaded, furthermore, how did Neo stop the machines? So far, that is the only thing super-human the Wachowski's have inserted for the Real World. Has anyone thought that Matrix REVOLUTIONS means revolve, to do over again, rather than a revolution in the context of a war? Keanu Reeves said maybe it should be called Matrix Ressurection, a quote on comingsoon.net. Now, when the three heroes go to see the Merovingian, they are in the elevator and wonder why the Keymake was not handed over. Neo says they did exerything they were supposed to, but maybe did something wrong. Morpheus replies "what happened happened, and could not have happened any other way." Neo says "why?" and the answer from morheus is "because they are still alive." Now take that and apply it to the end of the movie, where the war was supposed to be over when Neo entered the door. Even though the war did not end, everything happened the only way it could've because they're still alive. Even in the ship after the architect sequence, Morheus says "I dont understand, we did everything we were supposed to" and it echoes exactly what was said in the elevator, they did everything they were supposed to, and could've only happened the way it did. I honestly think the Matrix will not be destroyed. Have any of you noticed the word "loop" on the subway train in the end-of-video-game trailer? Loop as in what, to happen over? And if someone can help me out on this please, is the ONE created on purpose to be a system of control? or, is he a glitch, and if so, why the prophecy a system of control? Are the Neo's on the screen past ONES? I know this is long, but last comment, Agent Smith may be a past ONE, and reloaded has a program. He says at the beginning of the movie to himself "its happening just as before" and then "well not exactly." making us think of the last move, but maybe, the last time when Smith was the ONE. Also, he says to Neo, "I knew what I was supposed to do, but i felt compelled to disobey, compelled to walk away." The Wachowskis throw in little unnoticible things throuhgout their movies, eg the tv screens in the interrogation room of Matrix 1, so applying Smith's "compelled to walk away and disobey" may be a possible reference to him when he was the ONE in the architect room. He disobeyed the architect, and walked away from the door which was supposedly the one the architect could've told him not to, as he tried to do with Neo, maybe every ONE does as they are profoundly attached to their species, except Neo.
kenzo:Hey Jack,
catch a clue, the real world isn't real at all, its just a bubble in the matrix, a safety valve, a place where the rebels could be deluded that their rebellion matters, and neo, he's a machine, Tank tells us as much in the original Matrix. Neo chooses Trinity over recreating Zion, to perpetuate this fiction. The Architect tells Neo that if he doesn't recreate zion the Matrix will grow unstable and "crash" killing all of the people inside it. So Neo has a choice, to preserve Humanity as a race of slaves or to save the woman he loves. Neo is such a good program, designed to have empathy for people that he falls in love so it really isn't any choice for him, but still the realization of his role in this deception bothers Neo and that's why when he sees the Architect again he'll probably KICK HIS ASS.
chris😮k... here is my 2 cents:
First, Neo may or may not be a program. The architect did say The One was imbued with certain qualities. This implies The One is a manufactured item designed to fix the flaws inherent in a system of random action (i.e People). Also, it should be noted that if Agent Smith could upload into a live person why couldn't the system do the same with the One? It could even be done with an infant creating a "sleeper agent" effect. It also supports the Oracles ability to predict the future. By creating The One and then manipulating events to lead Morpheus to Neo the system validates her predictions and gives the Oracle credibility. It would also explain why The One has abilities within the Matrix beyond those of normal humans and is more akin to programs.
Something else to consider is the Merovingian and Persephone. The Oracle made reference to them as separate programs with their own agenda. Later Persephone explains the Merovingian was not always the way he is now... he was more like Neo. Could the Merovingian be a previous incarnation of The One? Could he have done his thing as the One, maintained the Matrix and now saves his program self from version to version taking a few things along with him?
Here is my question: Why did the agents want to stop the Keymaker?
If the Architect and the Oracle are who they claim, why would the system enforcers (i.e Agents) want to stop their plans? Who do the agents serve and are the Architect and Oracle who they claim to be (Father and Mother of the Matrix)?
As a final note: I have to agree with the earlier comments about what a bummer it would be if the "real world" were just another Matrix reality. Very Hollywood. It would be almost as bad as when we all saw Darth Vaders face for the first time and found out he just looked like a pimple with sad baggy eyes and a black cape.
The Matrix Explained
Found this a little while ago, sorry if it's been posted before but I haven't been here in a while....
the matrix reloaded - explained.
by jason payne
zion is a program, just like the matrix. how is neo able to figure out that
he is able to stop the sentinels in zion near the end of the film? the spoon given to him earlier. it had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the matrix?? this gave neo the inspiration and the understanding that zion is still a matrix.
the one explained
"the one" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the matrix. so mr. anderson got it in the 6th version of the matrix. then "the one" program's purpose is to allow zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. the reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't accept the matrix. these are all brought out of the matrix program and into the zion program by the "morpheus" program and other
similar "ship captain" programs. then once all the anomalies are out of the matrix (and in zion), that is the time for zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off. the matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the
matrix, but zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can be brought out again so that they can be destroyed. this is the feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that zion can be rebuilt. so this is why neo said the prophecy was a lie - the one's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated. unfortunately, "the one" program must be re-used each time, or copied, so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the matrix. so what happens to the old "the one" program? it faces deletion, and as the oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the french bloke (the merovingian) did. he was the first one (probably from the second version of the matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he became an exile program and "abdicated" his "oneness" by choosing persephone and power. this is evident in the bogs when persephone asks neo to kiss her. she says she wants
him to kiss her so she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the merovingian used to be. then she says to trinity that she
envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. so the merovingian used to be just like neo - a one - thus proving further the feedback-loop explained earlier.
the correct door in the architect's room
now there are two possibilities here:
1. all the previous one's chose the right door allowing a "temporary dissemination" of their code into the matrix (i.e., the code they "carry" thus indicating neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23 people from the matrix to rebuild zion. this takes away the possibility that stories from previous rebuilds of zion will be carried
through. but morpheus indicated in the first matrix that this is the case anyway. he said, "there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who freed the first of us," - basically the one previous to neo. and this proves that the previous one chose the right door also. neo's purpose is also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to go into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program parameters. thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. how was neo able to choose the other door? because of his extreme willpower? - even the architect
indicated that he'd noticed this - "interesting. that was quicker than the others." or more likely, because the oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the park bench. the candy/cookie was a method to change the one's program. she said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous one's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that neo will finally choose the other door.
2. all the previous one's chose the left door, saving trinity and letting zion fall. so this time is no different. but the architect does say, "you are here because zion is about to be destroyed. its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated," and also, "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it," - assuming the architect isn't lying, then they
have already destroyed zion (i.e., zion has fallen) five times - i.e., the result of going through the left door.
morpheus and trinity are programs. morpheus's purpose was to find the one and deliver him to the architect. trinity's purpose is to control the one by getting in love with him. trinity is supposed to be the mother of the new one every time the matrix is reloaded. that's why the sex scene was so important and why she was named trinity.
the architect says, "she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it." he was correct though because she did die just like neo did in the first matrix (oracle said he or morpheus would, and she didn't lie, but he came back to life). trinity dies, but comes back to life (we are using medical definition of death in all this of course!).
the architect has already laid down an ultimatum for neo choosing the left
door:
the architect - "failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race."
neo - "you won't let it happen, you can't. you need human beings to survive."
the architect - "there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept.. however, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world."
looking at this further, the architect does say "coupled" with the extermination of zion will the human race be exterminated. so he says everyone connected to the matrix will die, but if zion is not exterminated, the human race will not necessarily die. also, there is likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door,
and the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing neo to unplug as many as possible from the matrix, then those people won't die. this will be the start of the next zion. as for the matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading!
agent smith explained
agent smith is the only "human" in this world. he's the one spreading himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the matrix will finally get overloaded and fail. smith is the one who wants to get out of the matrix for good. he said so in the first matrix, "i must get out of here, i must get free! and in this mind, is the key," squeezing morpheus's temples, "my key! once zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be here!" smith knows that by killing neo he can escape the matrix because neo is the key to resetting the matrix, or to shut it off. it was originally killing
neo (in the first matrix) that allowed smith to become powerful (cloning ability) - so killing neo again will allow him to gain neo's powers completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the matrix. so where the hell did smith come from if he wants to destroy the matrix? he's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects (and
emulates) other programs like one. he is exactly as he described humans at the end of the first matrix - "you move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. there is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. do you know what it is? a virus." but who put him there? this will only be revealed in revolutions (revelations?) i guess - but i'm betting on humans in the real real world, i.e., outside of zion and the matrix. they're at war with the machines and trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus - agent smith. so the irony with this theory is that agent smith represents the human race!! neo represents the machines! agent smith says to neo just after he's seen the oracle that he became free when neo destroyed him in the first matrix (remember when neo entered his body and exploded him
from inside out) - as a virus, smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and thus inherited some of neo's.
the anomaly explained
the anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the matrix. the architect says "your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. you are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts i have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. while it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control." this includes neo, but neo's matrix avatar is attached with the one program so that he can follow his purpose as
explained earlier under "the one explained". however, he is also supposed to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., agent smith - so that he may
fulfil his purpose. further proving neo - and other non-accepters of the matrix - are the anomaly, the architect says, "your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." the clue here is neo's program name - "the one". take one-third for example. 1 over 3 is 0.33333 recurring. a computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. multiply by 3, you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the "remainder" 0.00001 (one) gone? this is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical imprecision inherent in programming (of the matrix) and the eventuality of the one anomaly unable to be eliminated.
what is the equation then?
not sure, but it definitely involves pi. the keymaker refers to the window of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. half a circle is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of neo and trinity's love scene - conceiving the next one? `neo", incidently, is an anagram of "one". trinity and neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. leads us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in matrix 1 and reloaded. neo's room at the beginning, merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of the car chase in reloaded, then when trinity is hacking into the power
plant system, she resets the password to z10n0101. freaky. indicates that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - and this is the 6th version of the matrix! then there's 303. 303 is the room neo got shot in matrix 1, the oracle lives in room 303, it's also the hotel room number trinity is in in matrix 1 and it's seen at the end when neo fights the agents and smith and begins to literally see the code that makes up the matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 = the 6th matrix. trinity means 3.
who is the "mother" that the architect refers to?
the architect says, "please," in an almost disapproving sense when neo suggests the oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even directly that neo is wrong. the architect was the one who created the matrix; the co-creator is neither persephone nor the oracle. both of them are only programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest. the architect is in charge of the matrix world and the co-creator is in charge of zion. she has almost the same age as the architect. therefore, that woman
is the head counsellor, the only woman of importance that lives in zion and the one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council meeting. she's the one who knew all along about the matrix. she was the one who told zion's defence minister to cool off and to let morpheus do his work so things could go as planned. or alternatively, it could indeed be the oracle. she is the only program that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she sees the future, because she knows the program code - she is like god - which is why seraph protects her - see "who is seraph?" below.
what's so special about neo's avatar?
neo is a skilled hacker, and his avatar in the matrix is based on the person that founded the ai of the original machines that eventually took over the world... how? take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at the beginning of matrix 1. it said "disc ai" on it. the hollowed book neo takes the disc out of is "simulacra and simulation" - a collection of essays by the french postmodernist philosopher jean
baudrillard. he opens it to the section "on nihilism" (meaning nothing is truly known,
etc.). "baudrillard's concept of simulation is the creation of the real through conceptual or 'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in reality. the
model becomes the determinant of our perception of reality--the real." and morpheus says, "welcome to the desert of the real," in matrix 1. i'd say this book describes the matrix to a tee. so this disc contains the key to the ai, and thus how to destroy the machines, so i think they'll use this info in revolutions to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll have to go back to the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to.
who is seraph?
the reason seraph (the chink guy neo meets before meeting the oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. "seraph" is singular for the plural "seraphim". the seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included amongst others: lucifer, gabriele, raziel and
malaciah, and they sit on the 8th level of heaven just one below god. so seraph will obviously have a big part in revolutions, but whose side will he be on - the machines or the humans?? that is the question.
the twins
they are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the oracle explained. they are programs behaving badly. persephone killed one of the merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was emulating a werewolf. so if the twins could phase into ghost form, why didn't he when his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? was it because he was wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped? no of course not. the doors of that building, when shut, always led somewhere else (usually in the mountains) when opened again without the keymaker's
key. so if it were slammed shut due to the twin phasing into ghost form, the twin's arm would've ended up god knows where, but certainly not attached to the twin's body.