Originally posted by Crash_Overload
But We also see Smith, We beleive he is in flames, but what if it is just how Neo "sees" him in the matrix, now?
Originally posted by The Omega
Sifer> “We DO agree that the child MAY be unique. Let’s face it: We don’t know WHAT she is. We’re merely speculating that she MAY represent a, say, machine AI which has successfully been given a human body, and can now also experience AS a human. Including but not restricted to love. But if THAT is, as you theorise, what all the machines want, why then, is Rama and his wife exiles? Why isn’t Rama, say, the Architect? Or why isn’t the Architect doing similar experiments?
It simply doesn’t add up, but you’re too stubborn to admit that.
I think the child has been made by rebellious programs, who DO want to corporate with mankind, unlike the vast majority of machine-AI’s. What the Oracle argues for, what Harmann is also a proponent for.It would also lay the grounds for The Matrix On-line game. The fight continues? Why? Because even though the “War between man and machine” is over, we get another. One were you have humans who wants to eradicate or enslave ALL machines, machines who want to terminate all humans or enslave them again, and a group of humans and machines, who fight for peace and corporation between both species.😄
This makes sense, and is the best explanation i have heard so far.
Tshirt> Why, thank you.
Sifer> Ever heard of the term “figuratively speaking?”
“Well they were apparently endowed with the spirit of man and lemme think. What is "spirit" according to the dictionary? Oh thats right, one of it's multiple meanings is it's "Soul". How very ironic.”
Where’d mankind get the spirit-soul from to stick into the machines, hm? Humans don’t have a measurable soul, ya know? It’s a figure of speech.
Any comments to by last post? AT all? Or am I to take silence as
consent?
Simple, JediHDM> Ah, come on, guys. It's just a debate over different POWs and interpretations. I am... unarmed! 😉
(That's a figure of speech. I DO have my two biological arms)
Well, what if in The Matrix, it isn't figuratively speaking and is really fact? I mean, even the Oracle confirms we have a soul (in movie terms of course 😛):
"I'm sorry kiddo, you've got a good soul, and I hate giving good people, bad news."
What if we didn't intentionally stick it in them (that sounded bad 😄), but instead, from creating a new life-form a new soul is born. The machines could have figured this out and use it...possibly.
Oh, and I always get riled up in debate...something you'll have to put up with...LOL
But the residual self-image is the mental projection of the digital self. NOT he soul.
I ask again, Sifer> Where’d mankind get the spirit-soul from to stick into the machines, hm?
Jezrah> Yes, that is very likely, as Neo is more akin to a boddisatva than any other religious figures, save perhaps the mythical Orpheus.
But: We must still explain where the “Golden path” is. The Wachoski brothers do not go metaphysical on us. Oracle, prophecies and Chosen Ones all have an explanation.
My guess is still this: When Neo is plugged into the Matrix by the Speak Machine, he’s uploaded differently than when it’s done by rebels. I think he’s somehow “walking” through cables, to get upgrades before fighting Smith. He’s wearing his real-world outfit so it can not be something he “sees” inside the Matrix.
I also think that golden corridors and glowing tentacles are somehow related to Seraph. Could Seraph, btw. by a sentinel? In Matriculate from Animatrix we see machines capable of being uploaded.
Let's think about what else looks golden. There is Seraph, who is the only one we see in Reloaded. From what Neo says, the Oracle looks that way too. We must assume the Merovingian does. Basically, all the exiles. They've unhooked from the Matrix and are now different than the regular green code. In the trailer we see that Smith/Bane looks that way as well, and we see the sentinel that crashes into the ship and goes (through?) Neo does too. The sentinel might be the most interesting one of the bunch because that is the only one that is a physical entity in the "real" world (Neo doesn't see Bane, he sees the Smith inside him). That might be the evidence we need to argue that the golden stuff that Neo sees is the code for the "real" world, which is probably a higher order of Matrix (created by God, or whatever). Neo has progressed to a level where he can now see the code for the real world the way he sees it in the Matrix, and the exiles appear differently than the rest of the Matrix because they have moved beyond their original programming and have risen to the next level of existence. They are essentially human from a spiritual standpoint.
And I might argue that this transformation has more to do with his choice at the end of Reloaded (he is the only One to choose not to save Zion and protect the Matrix) because it is at the end of that the he takes his first tentative steps into becoming the One in the real world just like he did in the Matrix in the first film. His physical blindness probably also will play a role. I'm guessing that happens when he fights Bane (just after Smith tells him to look beyond the flesh--which Neo then does). His new vision will be the only one he has left.