Originally posted by trav6612
you wouldn't recognize a good film if it hit you in the face slipknot. Underworld was an awesome movie. You probably never even saw it and just feel like bagging on it.
Well i recognize good movies, and that is why i dont recognize this movie. Underworld was a project to bank on the modern perspective on vampires and other dark mythical beasts. It is an anne rice and blade baby. Yeah i think the movie had it's momments, but it was a rushed story that had no depth to it. this would have been fine, if they wouldnt have tried to give it a silly deepness to it that just wasnt there. The action was both good and bad, but was dominated by bad.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Well i recognize good movies, and that is why i dont recognize this movie. Underworld was a project to bank on the modern perspective on vampires and other dark mythical beasts. It is an anne rice and blade baby. Yeah i think the movie had it's momments, but it was a rushed story that had no depth to it. this would have been fine, if they wouldnt have tried to give it a silly deepness to it that just wasnt there. The action was both good and bad, but was dominated by bad.
Well, as always, "good" is subjective.
I don't see how a movie, whos story was explained in the first 5 minutes of a 135 minute long movie, was at all rushed. Vampires hate werewolves. It's that simple.
To fill time, there were other interesting storylines that basically explained themselves. Kraven and Lucian both want to rule their respective clans, Selene and Michael want the feud to be over so they can fulfill their Romeo and Juliet relationship, and Viktor wants to be the one and only overseer of the two clans, once the hybrid is complete.
I mean, what depth are you looking for in yet another Vs. story? The only thing I can imagine that would have confused you is that there is no explanation as to why they are at war, but you can draw the conclusion that they both want to rule the underworld.
I do appreciate the fact you actually explain why you disliked the movie, it's a rare trait on these boards.
Ok - I'm not saying "Im right and you guys are wrong" (for a change) because I honestly expected to coast through Underworld as eye candy - and it demanded a little more than that.
Not much more, and flawed for sure - but I couldnt shake the feeling that it was a genuine effort made by people who cared about the movie they were involved with. it was better than i expected, and i cant say that very often.
I'm happy to say that the extras that have appeared on the DVD release kinda bear that out, like or loathe the film you cant deny the folks behind it put everything into making the best damn flick they could. How often do they make such an effort with cinematography in a horror movie?
I hope they dont screw the pooch with U2.
I dont think i explained myself in depth enough. Of course i grasped the plot and storyline of this film, it was a simple story. My gripe was that it tried to have depth,but diddnt elaborate on the points where it insinuates to have a deeper meaning in the story ,other than these two races just hating each other over a blood feud centuries ago.
I hate to use the term sterotypes, because in a werwolf or vampire flick like this, there really can't be much chracter development, but i have to say that we werent introduced to any original character traits,outside of their sterotype. our lead vampire was your run of the mill loyal servant who turns rebel because she doesnt agree with the leaders. The lead werewolf is your average bottom of the barrel feeding leader that strives for honor in a world that has no honor.
It wasnt the lack of explanation in the story, but the lack of story period. It tried to be deep, and give us twists in characters,amd story, but not having a character that we understand because of lack of writing, we just dont care. especially in a story that tries so hard to build up into somthing that it isnt, which is deep or meaningfull. I know there wasnt going to be a ground breaking plot, in this movie. I also knew there wasnt going to be much depth, but when they tried to give it to us, and fail. that is another story
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
there really can't be much chracter development, but i have to say that we werent introduced to any original character traits,outside of their sterotype.It wasnt the lack of explanation in the story, but the lack of story period. It tried to be deep, and give us twists in characters,amd story, but not having a character that we understand because of lack of writing, we just dont care. especially in a story that tries so hard to build up into somthing that it isnt, which is deep or meaningfull. I know there wasnt going to be a ground breaking plot, in this movie. I also knew there wasnt going to be much depth, but when they tried to give it to us, and fail. that is another story
Of course there can be character development. Here are some of the points that I found buck whatever stereotypes people try to bring to the table:
1) I don't know of any other movie from this genre where a vampires love interest is a lycan; not to mention the fact they actually band together.
2) Not aware of another movie from this genre where there is a secret alliance between the two heads of the clans, which both realms benefit from their partnership. Much less another movie that actually puts these two species against one another PERIOD.
3) You want character development? Look at Scott Speedman! "Michael" had no clue what was going to happen to him, and it was no coincidence that he was the one who dispelled the myth that if a lycan is bit by a werewolf, he dies. He ended up being the hybrid that Lucian had been trying to develop all along. Going from average joe to the missing link.
4) Another solid instance of character development was Viktor. At first, he played along, acting as if he loved Selene and the rest of the brood, when in fact he despised them for breaking the chain, and subsequently he figured that now he is awake, he can become the supreme overlord.
Personally, I understood all the characters, as they weren't deep at all. They all had alterior motives, which once again, bucked the stereotype that these characters were just run of the mill bats and wolves that just hated each other, with no depth.
Selene was engaged in forbidden love, Michael had no idea of his incredible lineage, Erika was playing for both sides, Lucian and Kraven both were looking to advance their position by way of an alliance, Lucian, alone was somewhat of a softy at times, Kraven, a hotshot wanna be elder who thought he could run the brood on his own, Viktor, an opportunist who cared for neither party, and of course Raze, a seemingly indestructible BLACK werewolf. That in and of itself is totally uncommon.
Just lay off of the "we", because like I said, I personally understood the story, the subplots, the characters depth and motivation. They aren't at all hard to follow, and everyones actions all have something to do with the main story in the end.
The plot doesn't have to be groundbreaking to be enjoyable. The plot was original, as were the subplots that lead to the climax, and I thought that everything I have mentioned in this post alone lend themselves to what is the most unique story from this genre in YEARS.
I agree with your explanation on Michael's character development. He went from some average joe that's never fired a gun before to a hybrid vampire/werewolf fighting off a powerful vampire elder.
Viktor, there wasn't really any character development. It just took a while to get to know him. His ways and views were the same from beginning to end.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Just lay off of the "we", because like I said, I personally understood the story, the subplots, the characters depth and motivation. They aren't at all hard to follow, and everyones actions all have something to do with the main story in the end.
Yanno - I went into underworld expecting to chew the popcorn and look at the FX, and it was about 20 or so mins in before I realized I was going to have to step up a gear or I was going to miss something - I was dangerously close to a moment of "what the **** is going on here?"
That "WTFIGH" moment can come from either a bad movie or a complicated movie - and I remember the little hairs-on-my-neck moment when it seemed that underworld might actually have something like a relatively complex plot going for it.. and at that point my GF (who doesnt talk during movies as a rule) leaned over and whispered "this is really ****ing good!" We both hit that moment of realization at the same time.
The point of this story is that i have a GF and get all the action I need - oh yeah. Also that some folks werent willing to meet Underworld half way - they kinda expected crap and thats what they saw. Shame.
yeah trav.......that's it. That's what we all do. We all get together in this forum to discuss movies we havn't seen.
1. To call Underworld awesome would be a serious exaggeration.
2. face it, you liked the movie he didn't. life goes on.
p.s. If he didn't like the movie, why would he be bragging on it? you do know what bragging means don't you?