Juggernaut or The Hulk?

no im saying that writers have the potential to use hulk in a way that they cant use most other heros in, with the exception of a few like superman. srength is a power ahem. hulks strength has no limit. juggie only has access to a fraction of cyttoraks magic, cyttorak is not the most powerful magic therefore is not limitless, hulks strength is hence why he is renound to be the strongest there is, so when hulk escaletes he has no top, therfore at some point will become too strong for cyttoraks magic to have any relevance, simple really and all im saying is with hulk writers have a character that has the ability to do this

strength can mean nothing in a fight. strength wont get you anywhere in a fight with juggs.

you keep saying hulks strength will get so high he'll negate jugs magic, has hulks strength ever nulled a gods magic before? no. Could hulk break the bands of cyttorak? no. has magic negated human powers before? yes.

Hulk wouldnt last in a all out fight with jugs, not many would.

how is strength power? is silver surfer power or strength, is magneto power or strength. this is quite a difference, magneto is weaker then the hulk when it comes to strength, but when it comes to power, hulk would get owned a zillion times by the current magneto.

You still miss the point, as long pig said, just cause he can get as strong as he want doesnt mean it will negate juggs magic. lolol this is funny cause ur comparing cytorrak to the hulk. in saying hulk strength is limitless, and cytorraks magic is. lolol well put it this way, in order for hulk to achieve the same power as cytorak, the universe would already have collapsed on themselves tenfold.

Juggernaut has only a fraction of cytorraks power, you are totally correct, but how much of it do u know he has. his power no one really knows the extent of juggernauts power. thts not even the point, that little fraction of cytorak's power is more than the hulk could handle, as we have seen in there past fights.

so strength means nothing in this fight cause it wont physically damage juggernaut no matter how strong he gets. And this is what most people have been agreeing lately.-

how many fights has hulk had with juggie, er 4, 1 huk is fed up of hitting juggie and hurls him into a mountain b4 x men turn up as juggie was about to hit hulk from behind, 2 juggie knocks out prof hulk, 3 prof hulk knocks out juggie then hits with a psychic backlash, 4 war owns his arse then stops from killing juggie due to having smacked whats his name into a wall. er yea juhggi is well on top NOT. juggie is about brute force thats what his power /magic translates too, hulk too is about brute force only he has limit;ess stores of this. of course strength is a power dumb arse. id certainly love to have the power to have my strength increase limitlessly through my rage. lastly nothing is stopping hulk from getting so pissed he could override cyttoraks magic if that was required hulk has the potential to do it. what writers decide to do is down to them, after all hulk has been knocked out by pythons, batman, namour , abom etc all characters below hulks potential capacity which is limitless. lately people can agree on whatever they like as it has been established here many times over that juggie is susceptable to physical harm should that come from a powerful enough source, ahem step forward hulk the premier class of physical power..listen to reason, cyttoraks magic is not limitless, hulks power is ( thats his strength to u or i). therefore its only logical that at some point in hulks rage he will become too powerful physically for juggernauts magic therfore bye bye.

Lmfao what fights have u read? man u got ur perceptions messed up.
Thats not what happened. fight 1 was what u said hulk tossed juggernaut into a mountain, walked away confused , as he is walking juggernaut gets up all mad, then the x-men come in. And during that fight, savage hulk was getting tired and losing strength.

fight 2 hulk got knocked out
fight 3 hulk didnt knock out the juggernaut, the backlash did, for heavens sake i posted pictures there for the whole world to see . how on earth did hulk knock him out then the backlash knockhim out again?
dude its proven the backlash was the thing that knocked out juggernaut

fight 4 war hulk did beat hulk. but failed to ko him.

And since when has it been established that juggernaut has been physically harmed pre Onslaught? IF you have been reading the posts as of late u would realize that no infact he has never been hurt physically outside telepathy and magic. so that argument is over with.
He has never been physically hurt by anyone, or knocked out for that matter. and this is the old school juggernaut we are talking about, if this was the new one i would agree.

Dude stop being such a fan boy and accept the facts, Hulk cannot Knock out or physically harm juggernaut. Dude proof is right in ur face, and u have to distort it.

TG, could Hulk become strong enough to break the crimson bands of cyttorak?

Originally posted by long pig
TG, could Hulk become strong enough to break the crimson bands of cyttorak?

Hulk has broken the bands of Cyttorak before.

Originally posted by savagerampage
Lmfao what fights have u read? man u got ur perceptions messed up.
Thats not what happened. fight 1 was what u said hulk tossed juggernaut into a mountain, walked away confused , as he is walking juggernaut gets up all mad, then the x-men come in. And during that fight, savage hulk was getting tired and losing strength.

Nice try. You have the comic, and you know exactly what Hulk says.

Hulk says "Hulk tired... Tired of having to fight all the time -Tired of being called names - Tired of being hit and shot at all the time - Tired of being threatened all the time- Hulk tired of YOU!"

Anyone who has the comic will see that those are Hulk's exact words before he commences kicking Juggernaut's ass. Hulk does not get tired, and he never gets weaker in a fight; he always becomes stronger. He will last just as long, if not longer than Juggernaut.

Originally posted by long pig
strength can mean nothing in a fight. strength wont get you anywhere in a fight with juggs.

you keep saying hulks strength will get so high he'll negate jugs magic, has hulks strength ever nulled a gods magic before? no. Could hulk break the bands of cyttorak? no. has magic negated human powers before? yes.

Hulk wouldnt last in a all out fight with jugs, not many would.

Knocking your opponent out isn't the only way to win a fight. Besides battlefield removal, there are other ways to win a fight. Incapacitation, Submission, etc.

Hulk certainly did break the bands of Cyttorak. Even if it were "impossible to beat Juggernaut," Hulk makes a career of doing the impossible. Hulk has overcome Asgardian and Celestial magic. Cyttorak's magic would not be a problem. Hulk has destroyed the indestructable.

Even if Juggernaut can't be KOed (which is debatable,) Hulk could very well force Juggernaut to submit, or incapacitate him one way or another. Juggernaut can be beaten by strength.

He did? when?
If this is true we have damning evidence as to hulk can nullify cyttoraks magic! if so, it means bad things for jugg!
this could almost be the end of the debate.

The crimson bands of cyttorak is a holding spell based on the power of the caster.

still my point remains unscathed in this attack. hulk is there to basixally get as strong as is required. all juggie sites i have read claim juggie is only susceptable to physical harm from a powerful enough physical source . and that is hulk my good friends, although i do appreciate form time to time writers dont use him at the peak of his capabilities, if they did he would never lose, just get stronger til he achieved what he wanted to do. nice one cc for clearing up this idea hulk was getting tired, he just escalated once again in strength and overpowered juggie. the hulk is just too potentially powerful for juggie

oh if u really believe that war didnt own juggie and at any time of his chosing kill him you read another comic savage rampage, as you did when recalling the fights that you in accurately posted.

You go ahead and keep trying to apply logic to magic. 'Cause magic ain't listening.

war hulk did own juggernaut, theres not even a shadow of a doubt. but hulk cant kill him or knock him out.

your right cosmic hulk did say those things, but did u hear what juggernaut said in that issue, he said that his punches are losing strength, meaning he was getting somewhat tired. he then got angier, and got stronger again, but he was starting to feel tired again before tossing him.

hulk cant outlast juggernaut. Incapacitation, submission, how is juggernaut going to submit?

I already said it, Juggernaut has never been Knocked out physically by anyone pre onslaught. If someone has proof of this please show us, cause the whole nimrod thing i have proved already. the only way hulk can win is by ring out, or trapping the juggernaut in something.

The hulk can easily overpower the juggernaut. but he cant Ko him.

This is totally Off topic but what do u guys think of my Incredible hulk costume i had 2 years ago.

me as punny banner lol

HULK is mad

Hulk doesnt like Micheal jackson

Damn, that young lady is attractive in the last pic. You lucky dog!!!

i just love how the guy in the first pic(dont know if its savagerampage) his pouting his pwitty wittle lips and sucking in his gut

I don't see purple pants.

Aw come on swanky u try to find purple pants, hey i was doing my best zoolander imitation, i was also like on 7 e's lol

Anyways iam trying to be the juggernaut this year, i just need something to make a helmet outta.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The crimson bands of cyttorak is a holding spell based on the power of the caster.

Dr. Strange is the strongest magician there is. He can almost completely summon the magic of Cyttorak. More than an exemplar.

LOL good costume savage. BUT why aren't your hands green.