Juggernaut or The Hulk?

In there second fight, the rematch to the one where he was sick. Total walloping.

Originally posted by long pig
Just give me on example of how Hulk could win other than the hypothesis that hulk MAY be able to somehow pull enough strength out pf his ass to negate magic from a higher source than Odin.
Just one example.(Cyttorak is above Odin, Cyttorak is geia<sp??> first son, all other gods like odin came after him)

Do ring outs count?

I just don't buy that juggs is invunerable. He may say he is but that proves nothing to me.

Of course ring outs don't count.
We all just want to see who would win if it was to the death or K.O.

Thor used magic on the fight you are talking about.

Do you remember what Thor's Odinblast did to Hulk? No? Ya know why? Because Thor knows it would kill him, Thor holds back 90% of the time they fight each other.

You don't buy that his is invulnerable? Why not?
He's never been shown not to be. Jugs is a cheap character, everyone agrees, thats why they revamped him.
But, before him being revamped, he was 100% invulnerable.

No, the way I remember it Jugs was doing ok, but he got scared and decided to put his shield up. Thor decided to spit on that idea and took his sheild away, then put the hurt on his sorry ass. Juggs just kept saying, "that didn't hurt." But me thinks that juggs protest too much (as in he was saying it didn't hurt to save face.)

Remember how he took his shield away?
By spinning his hammer around and negating Jugs magic shield.

Thor COULD beat Jugs that way, but that's the only way.

And yes, just was gettin his ass kicked, but only because of his magic vulnerability.

But he was using his fist. Jugs was taking the hits the exact same way before and after Thor dropped his shield.

Jugs shield is a HUGE part of his invulnerability, it takes 99% of the damage he gets, kinda like Supermans shield.

Without it he isn't as invulnerable, but he still can't be hurt.

Thor negated Jugs magic with his own, therefore weakening Jugs to Thors punches, Jugs surely felt every punch he took after that.

Thor could probably have killed him. But there were a few circumstances in that fight that Thor probably couldnt do again.

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He has to voluntarily put up that shield. It's not active all the time. He wouldn't even be able to hit anyone himself while using it.

No, it's up all the time. Unless he intentionally takes it down.
His hands and arms can pass through it at will.

I have pics where he gets hit by plasma guns while his back is turned and they bounce off his shield, he had no idea they were going to shoot him.

Also in the Thor fight, he grabs the hammer through his shield and rides it.

But yeah, i understand why youd think this, Jugssometimes does things with his powers and then totally forgets it. He once used magic blasts from his HANDS to shrink a guy, he's also been able to fly before.

I saw this and thought WTF?

Ok now I'm pretty confused. I mean in that book when things started not going his way, he says "ok then, you can't get threw my shield" like he had to put it up.

You're right to be confused.
Jug's isn't very consistant when it comes to that shield.

ask anyone.

I don't even know what to think anymore. Do I change my vote because of the way the shield works, or do i keep it the same assumming juggs might not even put it up?

My impression was that the shield was there to keep people like the hulk from totally throwing him around, his shield just absorbs impacts so he doesnt get punches across the state by a 100 ton punch.

He uses it to deflect powerful punches that would knock him down.
He still is invulnerable, but his shield makes him even more invulnerable.
Kinda like putting a helmet on a adamantium block.

As I understand it, Cain's human form is increased the same way Banner's is except with magic. The forcefield being something extra he can switch on for extra protection/deflecting.

But he is written as bad as Flash on the Superfriends
Zan: Even the Flash can fly sometimes.
Flash: I can? - Seanbaby comic

I think it was during the Nimrod attack it was said that if Juggernaut had his forcefield up, the sound attack might not of worked.

In the Thor fight where he negates Juggernaut's feed, the forcefield is said to be his source of durability.

Maybe it's there to keep things like magic swords and such from getting to him?
Hell, it makes no sense to me either really.

lol@ "I can?"

look this is where the invulnerability thing falls over, i mean if he is unvulnerable why have a shield????? it is plain silly.
Hulk woud get stronger till the enchantment as irrelevant, it s well within his character to do this and his capabilities. it suits writers to have them draw so boards like this never die out lol. if u had infinite strength potential i cant think of many ways you would lose a brawel especiallywith healing so quick u cant get harmed.
who says a god blast would kill hulk???? remember hes shaken off atomic explosions b4. tor knows he is no physical match for hulk any way, he doesnt always hold bak in their fights.

juggie gets whooped when hulk goes psycho, hell i think abom would be too strong for juggie, remember he desnt really fight that powerful an opposition really. i mean the difference between collossus and abom is at least 2 and a half times. and ive also read up a bit more on juggie to see that it would take incredible physical force to harm hi, not that no physical force can harm him, er step up the incredible hulk, er thank u

Thor almost ALWAYS holds back.
Thor knows who Hulk is, and respects banner. He doesn't ever want to fight him or hurt him, but sometimes he has to, and 99% of the time Thor pummels him with his superior base strength and speed. Simple as that. Hulk took hours and hours to get as strong as Thor, and STILL Thor whooped him.

I'm seriously tired of hearing that same old argument, you can't back it up whatsoever.
All your points are purely hypothesis, no real facts or evidence.
No one, ever has gotten strong enough to negate jugs magic, ever, why would Hulk be the one?
His strength is infinite, but so what?
You're purely guessing Hulk could break Jug's enchantments, you're also basing your whole opinion on the chance that Jugs wouldn't simple K.O him before he gets that strong.
Dude, you're wrong, end of story.

Hulk can keep jugs at bay, maybe forever....but Hulk won't ever hurt or do anything significant to jugs.

It's not a 50/50 at all. Jugs has a huge margin of advantage.

IT might be scan time again. i actually have that issue where Thor uses magic, to negate juggs forcefeild. Thor lands like 4 hits the whole fight, juggernaut still kicks his ass before thor has 2 resort to ring out again.

Thor's hammer is magic, so that is why it canceled out his forcefield, the only confusing thing is, he never had his forcefield on in the first place lol