Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He wasn't Mindless when Jean shut down Banner. He was Savage.

Mindless Hulk can't talk.

How can you say that his rage has limits without any substantiating evidence?

Lets apply simple Logic, although Logic has no place in comics, we will attempt to anyway.

Jean completely erased hulks mind of every thought, every memory, every emotion, every feeling, everything.

And all she left was RAGE.

ALL HE KNEW WAS RAGE.

How, please tell me how, do you get angrier then this?

I'm not trying to debate with you now. I really want to know how do you get madder then this?

If there is a way please let me know and provide proof or some type of logic.

Because right now i just don't see it being possible.

Originally posted by branhole
wonder man gets stronger with rage.

thats what i was trying to explain to these fanboys.

thank you

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
However it has never been said that Wonderman has limitless potential for strength, or that (and I quote,) "When it comes to rage Wonderman has no limits!"😉 and the like?

well then that means that rage has limits otherwise wonderman is in hulks leugue.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Lets apply simple Logic, although Logic has no place in comics, we will attempt to anyway.

Jean completely erased hulks mind of every thought, every memory, every emotion, every feeling, everything.

And all she left was RAGE.

ALL HE KNEW WAS RAGE.

How, please tell me how, do you get angrier then this?

I'm not trying to debate with you now. I really want to know how do you get madder then this?

If there is a way please let me know and provide proof or some type of logic.

Because right now i just don't see it being possible.

Here's an example.

Juggy kills betty. Hulk gets insanely mad.

Juggy punches Hulk in the face. Hulk gets madder.

Juggy throws Hulk into a wall. Hulk gets madder.

Juggy cracks a joke. Hulk gets madder.

There is no limit to how angry he can become.

"When it comes to rage, The Hulk has no limits!"

Originally posted by branhole
well then that means that rage has limits otherwise wonderman is in hulks leugue.

Wrong. Hulk's strength increases proporionally with anger to an unlimited extend.

Wonderman's strength increases with anger to a limited extent. The same is true of the character Rage.

Anger is the source for all three. However, Wonder Man and Rage have a limit to how much strength they can attain.

so he could get stronger than when he fought onslaught. jean shut off everything except rage. how is he going to become stronger?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Here's an example.

Juggy kills betty. Hulk gets insanely mad.

Juggy punches Hulk in the face. Hulk gets madder.

Juggy throws Hulk into a wall. Hulk gets madder.

Juggy cracks a joke. Hulk gets madder.

There is no limit to how angry he can become.

"When it comes to rage, The Hulk has no limits!"

phail/10

try again.

This time think about what jean did to hulk, you even failed in you argument in saying, Juggy cracked a joke about betty.

When jean wiped his mind, Hulk would of pimped slapped betty, for he never knew who she was at that point.

Get it?

Originally posted by branhole
so he could get stronger than when he fought onslaught. jean shut off everything except rage. how is he going to become stronger?

If Someone says "Hulk, you're a b*tch!" he will get angrier.

It's a proven fact that Hulk gets angrier and angrier as a fight goes along. In fact, he was getting angrier during his fight with Onslaught.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
phail/10

try again.

This time think about what jean did to hulk, you even failed in you argument in saying, Juggy cracked a joke about betty.

When jean wiped his mind, Hulk would of pimped slapped betty, for he never knew who she was at that point.

Get it?

Excuse my error.

However, the logic of my argument is clear. No matter how angry Hulk is, every time Juggernaut hits him, or does anything to him, he will get angrier.

so hulks going to become mindless befoer juggs knocks him out.

get angrier, and do nothing

Originally posted by Soujaboy
get angrier, and do nothing

True, but that's besides the point.

I never said that Hulk could win this fight. I was debating his limitless strength and durability.

I happen to be a fan of both characters.

Originally posted by branhole
so hulks going to become mindless befoer juggs knocks him out.

That is, if Juggy is strong enough to do so. It is quite possible.

Hulk cannot win the fight without doing something cheap like throwing Juggy into space.

Juggy can win if this is a weaker Hulk, or if he KO's a non-savage, non-mindless Hulk before he has time to get angry.

Juggy will win more often than Hulk, because Hulk cannot win. Either Juggy wins, or it's a stalemate.

P.S. Hulk can't turn Mindless by himself. He can only become savage, who, in my opinion, is the more impressive of the two, feat-wise.

Powers
The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular. The Hulk uses his super humanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover hundreds of miles in a single bound and once leaped almost into orbit around the Earth. The Hulk has shown a HIGH RESISTANCE to physical damage nearly regardless of the cause, and has also shown RESISTANCE to extreme temperatures, poisons, and diseases in addition to regeneration of damaged or destroyed areas of tissue at an amazing rate.
The Hulk's body also has a gland that makes an "oxygenated per fluorocarbon emulsion", which creates pressure in the Hulk's lungs and effectively lets him breathe underwater and move quickly between varying depths without concerns about decompression or nitrogen narcosis.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hulk_%28Bruce_Banner%29

Unlimited Durability? ok

The Juggernaut originally possessed untold mystical power which enhanced his strength to an unknown degree and made him a seemingly irresistible, unstoppable being. Once he began to walk in a given direction, no obstacle or force on Earth was able to stop him. Some obstacles, for example many tons of rock, or forces such as plasma-discharge cannons slowed his pace considerably, but nothing stopped him permanently from advancing. The Juggernaut was, however, vulnerable to magical forces of sufficient strength.
Besides giving him vast superhuman strength, the mystical energy of Cyttorak gave the Juggernaut an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury. The Juggernaut could also shield himself even further from injury by mentally surrounding himself with a force field. Enveloped by this field, the Juggernaut had been seen to survive the fiery explosion of a truck transporting a huge quantity of oil without any injury whatsoever. The Juggernaut could survive indefinitely without food, water, or oxygen thanks to his being sustained by his mystical energies alone.

In the past, the Juggernaut has temporarily possessed telepathic abilities and certain mystical powers, all of which he has since lost. Recently, however, the Juggernaut has been stripped of this mystical energy, including his personal force field. He still possesses superhuman strength, endurance and durability due to years of absorbing the mystical energies of Cyttorak, but the current upper limit of these traits is as yet unknown.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Juggernaut_%28Cain_Marko%29

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You're right. He doesn't listen.

He was talking about you 😉

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Powers
The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular. The Hulk uses his super humanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover hundreds of miles in a single bound and once leaped almost into orbit around the Earth. The Hulk has shown a HIGH RESISTANCE to physical damage nearly regardless of the cause, and has also shown RESISTANCE to extreme temperatures, poisons, and diseases in addition to regeneration of damaged or destroyed areas of tissue at an amazing rate.
The Hulk's body also has a gland that makes an "oxygenated per fluorocarbon emulsion", which creates pressure in the Hulk's lungs and effectively lets him breathe underwater and move quickly between varying depths without concerns about decompression or nitrogen narcosis.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hulk_%28Bruce_Banner%29

Unlimited Durability? ok

That's the profile for current Hulk. His durability is far from unlimited. In fact, he sucks. Classic Juggy would kill Current Hulk.

I said Savage Hulk has unlimited durability, and I can prove it.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's the profile for current Hulk. His durability is far from unlimited. In fact, he sucks. Classic Juggy would kill Current Hulk.

I said Savage Hulk has unlimited durability, and I can prove it.

I like you, unlike the other Hulk fans you actually know how to debate and make since.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I like you, unlike the other Hulk fans you actually know how to debate and make since.

Most fanboys won't listen to logic, so debating them is pointless.

However, I try to be knowlegable about all characters I debate about, pro or con. Being logical is also a all too uncommon trait among people who visit this board.

you seem to be the only hulk fan i can take. i put my point out there and you dont call me dumb and stuff and i do listen to you but i still say that his strength is not unlimited.