Originally posted by Apolloknight
I was hoping Dinalfos would answer that, then I was going to say, well I couldnt Juggernaut KO him in the first few minutes of the fight.
I never said he technically couldn't. But it's not HALF as easy as you make it out to be. It requires leverage and just plain good luck. If he lets up for one moment(or if he's simply not given the chance), he's not going to do a thing.
In a scripted fight, things might be different, but this is purely theoretical and based on character abilities. In other words, no scenario tricks and plot devices. That means no prof. X to interfere, but also no tiring Hulk in the middle of a fight.
These two need to have one last final match. Well, only if Juggy is reverted back to his Classic form first. Squidboy could kick Jobbernaut's ass.
I exaggerate of course. Current Juggernaut is still a formidable foe.
But anyway, one final, decisive match would be great. No outside help, no celestial tech. Just Savage Hulk (his strongest, right?) vs. Classic Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Reaper777
I'm sorry but if doc samson can do it Juggernaut deffinately can,
actualy i think he did one time.he caught him off guard and tackled him, didnt he? 💃 📖 thats what this book ive got says anyway.
That was Professer Hulk, not Savage.
But Savage has been Knocked out Just the same.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
That was Professer Hulk, not Savage.But Savage has been Knocked out Just the same.
Just because he has and can be doesn't mean it will necessarily happen.
I've posted my posistion, Hulk via Dimensional Disturbance, and I've posted my proof before.
Besides, if the War Hulk was able to get strong enough to stop him, shouldn't the Savage be able too after a few days of Fighting.
And the Hulk has gone for days and weeks without food or water while in constant action before, so Juggs starving the Hulk out isn't going to happen IMO.
Originally posted by Dalak
Just because he has and can be doesn't mean it will necessarily happen.I've posted my posistion, Hulk via Dimensional Disturbance, and I've posted my proof before.
Besides, if the War Hulk was able to get strong enough to stop him, shouldn't the Savage be able too after a few days of Fighting.
And the Hulk has gone for days and weeks without food or water while in constant action before, so Juggs starving the Hulk out isn't going to happen IMO.
Months and Years>>>Days and weeks.
Dimensional Disturbance, thats nice, Hulks not gonna land a blow on Juggernaut once he puts his shield up.
And how do you think Juggernaut comes back from the dimensions hes been bansihed to? BFR, or Dimensional Removal dont work on him.
And Savage becoming as strong as War is Threoy, War was drawing from two diemnsions of power, Savage needed Jeans Help to crack Onslaughts armor, meaning he couldnt get that mad by himself. Threoy not valid.
Hulk will never become mad enough through his own anger to reach levels to effect Juggernaut in any way, ever, period. And if he did, which he wont even land a blow because of Juggernauts Shield is up, Jugges also has a INSANE healing factor also, not that he would need it.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Months and Years>>>Days and weeks.Dimensional Disturbance, thats nice, Hulks not gonna land a blow on Juggernaut once he puts his shield up.
And Savage becoming as strong as War is Threoy, War was drawing from two diemnsions of power, Savage needed Jeans Help to crack Onslaughts armor, meaning he couldnt get that mad by himself. Threoy not valid.
Hulk will never become mad enough through his own anger to reach levels to effect Juggernaut in any way, ever, period. And if he did, which he wont even land a blow because of Juggernauts Shield is up, Jugges also has a INSANE healing factor also, not that he would need it.
Wrong.
They say days and weeks because fighting forever is not gonna happen. Not for any character. If the adrenaline keeps feeding him radiation, he's not gonna tire. Because if you're being fed, you can keep producing adrenaline. And if you keep producing adrenaline.....etc. etc. Complete the circle.
War strength level is unknown. We haven't seen him doing the stuff Savage did. Hell, it''s even debatable that Apocalypse added anything to his strength. For all we know the tech only tapped into Hulk's own strength. If that's the case, then an enraged Hulk can reach the levels of a non-enraged(because that's what he was) War Hulk. Furthermore, it was the Hulk himself who drew all that energy from those two universes. He didn't have outside help for it. That makes the extra strength his own.
AS for Jean.....Before she removed the cap in his head, Hulk wasn't Savage. He was professor. By removing the cap, he became Savage Hulk once more. And if you ask me, the Hulk has done more impossible things than cracking Onslaught's armour. He can become angrier and angrier, it's not half as speculative(due to cold hard evidence) as saying that he CAN'T reach those levels by himself.
Originally posted by Dalak
Besides, if the War Hulk was able to get strong enough to stop him, shouldn't the Savage be able too after a few days of Fighting.
It's debatable whether or not that can happen. I don't think so. Physical force, no matter how powerful, can defeat Juggernaut. Nor should it be able able to stop his forward momentum. Even if Galactus only used his physical strength and tried to stop Juggernaut (Classic) from walking, he couldn't. The celestial tech that empowered War Hulk must've done something to partially negate Juggy's mystical enchantment. That's really the only explanation.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Months and Years>>>Days and weeks.Dimensional Disturbance, thats nice, Hulks not gonna land a blow on Juggernaut once he puts his shield up.
And how do you think Juggernaut comes back from the dimensions hes been bansihed to? BFR, or Dimensional Removal dont work on him.
And Savage becoming as strong as War is Threoy, War was drawing from two diemnsions of power, Savage needed Jeans Help to crack Onslaughts armor, meaning he couldnt get that mad by himself. Threoy not valid.
Hulk will never become mad enough through his own anger to reach levels to effect Juggernaut in any way, ever, period. And if he did, which he wont even land a blow because of Juggernauts Shield is up, Jugges also has a INSANE healing factor also, not that he would need it.
He won't need to 'touch' Juggernaut to rip a hole in the reality that underlies existence, and it's not going to take that long with Cain constantly berating Hulk which he always does, even when he's getting beaten by War. It's part of his character to bluster even when he's not winning, and that will ensure that he doesn't.
Though I did check on War's 2 dimensions, and it seems that I've been wrong for about a year in arguing that War wasn't Bannerless. It was the shards in the Head that confused me, since they were gotten by Savage Banner and I thought they had re-merged before they got rid of those bits of shrapnel. Either way on that I'm wrong.
And in Onslaught the Professor needed Jeans Help to get that angry, NOT the Savage. She brought the Savage up and helped him to get mad very quickly. Is that supposed to mean that the Savage can't get that angry again ever? That is a definite No, but it will take time. Time that they didn't have then but that Hulk will have in abundance here.
Oh yes, How often has Juggernaut come back from another dimension, without anyone interfering? In previous arguments I've had in this case on CBR the result has been Zero, therefore on his own power Juggernaut is stuck. That's a Win for Hulk.