Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yes, that, or the Juggernaut isn't really unstoppable. The Hulk stopping him three times aren't the only occasions.The celestial tech augmented his strength, similar to how Cyttorak's magic augmented Cain Marko's strength.
Three times? As far as I remember the only time he got close to stopping him was when he was War Hulk. And even then he couldn't stop him completly.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's debatable whether or not that can happen. I don't think so. Physical force, no matter how powerful, can defeat Juggernaut. Nor should it be able able to stop his forward momentum. Even if Galactus only used his physical strength and tried to stop Juggernaut (Classic) from walking, he couldn't. The celestial tech that empowered War Hulk must've done something to partially negate Juggy's mystical enchantment. That's really the only explanation.
So the fact that there's never been a physical force that high means nothing. *sigh*
The fact is the Juggernaut was stopped, not Pushed Back, but stopped (ie Stalemate). The Godblast was able to push it back, which was a true defeat.
Hulk's been able to punch through a time storm that Kang couldn't get through. He's bent and torn energy when on the page it says it's impossible. He's broken Dr Doom's fields with that "Sheer Physical Force" and he's pushed back radiation and energy blasts with his bare hands and strength. Hulk's Strength goes beyond the realms of Physical Force and into the realms that Wally West's Speed has gone.
No I'm not saying there is a 'Strength Force' but Hulk does draw incredible amounts of energy and mass from nowhere.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Three times? As far as I remember the only time he got close to stopping him was when he was War Hulk. And even then he couldn't stop him completly.
Show where they were moving, and "Movement so inperceptible that cain couldn't feel it" doesn't count.
War Hulk stopped him, period.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, even when Thor (who was using all of his strength to push in the opposite direction) got trampled by a calmly-walking Juggernaut, War Hulk can just easily toss him aside?
Well Savage 'Tossed' him quite easily enough when Cain was trying to break his neck from behind, but that's not what anyone said.
War. Hulk. Stopped. Him.
Notice the rock and movement lines in the pic above.
No rock, no movement. Dead Stop.
Originally posted by Reaper777
I dont hink annyone could easily toss juggernaut aside, not even war hulk
When he's moving forward? I agree with you.
But War Hulk can just stop his forward motion as shown above and then throw him aside as shown above. So it is close, but not the same thing as knocking him away when they first colide.
Now, I have NO idea of what could happen if War Hulk got Angry, so I'm not mentioning anything more about that.
Originally posted by Dalak
Well Savage 'Tossed' him quite easily enough when Cain was trying to break his neck from behind, but that's not what anyone said.War. Hulk. Stopped. Him.
Notice the rock and movement lines in the pic above.
No rock, no movement. Dead Stop.
I have never denied that war stopped Juggernaut, when it happened I was actually exicted, "Someone finally stopped the Juggernaut". Now we can sit here and debate all day about how he did it, either negating his magic, or calling power from two dimensions, fact is we will never truely know, Juggernaut Pushed Hulk for over a mile before he even stopped him, so its up in the air.
Fact is Juggernaut has never been completey stopped before this, comics even made a big deal out of it in War 3 profile say he Stopped the Juggernaut.
And how is Hulk Ever going to hit Juggernaut with his sheild up?
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Moving forward ---- *Bump* --------Not moving forward anymore/path of motion altered.That's what happened in Hulk 172. Sounds like somebody got stopped.
Whatever you say, War 3 Stopping Hulk was the big deal.
He had Juggernaut Questioning everything he ever knew about himself, it even said it in the comic, and Juggernaut himself said "Impossible".
No one else has ever stopped Juggernaut, this doesnt mean he cant be uppercuted over a mountain, or drove into the ground, He still could be smacked around. But once his forward motion starts, nothing stops him, period.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Whatever you say, War 3 Stopping Hulk was the big deal.He had Juggernaut Questioning everything he ever knew about himself, it even said it in the comic, and Juggernaut himself said "Impossible".
No one else has ever stopped Juggernaut, this doesnt mean he cant be uppercuted over a mountain, or drove into the ground, He still could be smacked around. But once his forward motion starts, nothing stops him, period.
i agree
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I have never denied that war stopped Juggernaut, when it happened I was actually exicted, "Someone finally stopped the Juggernaut". Now we can sit here and debate all day about how he did it, either negating his magic, or calling power from two dimensions, fact is we will never truely know, Juggernaut Pushed Hulk for over a mile before he even stopped him, so its up in the air.Fact is Juggernaut has never been completey stopped before this, comics even made a big deal out of it in War 3 profile say he Stopped the Juggernaut.
And how is Hulk Ever going to hit Juggernaut with his sheild up?
How did Hulk hit him before? In fact his fists bouncing off that Force Field would make him angrier.
Not even the Power Cosmic can hold the Hulk! TTA #93
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2041/powercosmic8xj.jpgA field that only Black Bolt using his voice can breach. IH Annual #1
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/8180/InhumansBarrier.jpgDoom brags that nothing in the universe can shatter the field. IH #144
http://img64.echo.cx/img64/7615/doom1a2hr.jpg
http://img64.echo.cx/img64/817/doom1b0go.jpgThe Hulk destroys a device which was intended to withstand the power of the Celestials. IH #242
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8582/featsflameoflife1c6gm.jpgThe Defenders (Big 4) are trapped inside an energy-depleting Kree field. Only the Hulk has the strength to break free. DEF vol. 2 #8
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/5549/kreefield0or.jpg
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/6584/kreefield26ou.jpgThe Hulk pushes apart the spheres of an anti-matter bomb... then hits one with such force, it overcomes the inertial field. MARVEL TEAM-UP Annual #2
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/2246/antimatter18zf.jpg
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4741/antimatter29ld.jpgHulk smash puny energy! IH #242
http://img143.exs.cx/img143/4599/energy5mz.jpgThe Hulk overcomes a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet! TTA #89
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/5136/stranger1qs.jpgHulk vs. Stranger II. Stranger says Hulk is even more powerful than when they last met. MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE Annual #5
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/5448/stranger37cy.jpgPunching through a time-storm. IH #135
http://img219.echo.cx/img219/9757/featstimestorm9qs.jpgThe Hulk and Ironclad collide, sending concussive force throughout countless dimensions! IH #305
http://img99.echo.cx/img99/5029/ironcladcollision8wn.jpg
I'd say the Hulk can send Juggs packing, and unless he can come back On His Own that emans Hulk Wins. Because when he starts punching through Time, and the stuff I've shown (Which isn't everything) I'd say that Force-Field wouldn't be a factor.
E: Oh Apollo, you didn't question Jugg's being stopped, but Sam Z did so I decided to post those scans again.
Originally posted by Dalak
How did Hulk hit him before? In fact his fists bouncing off that Force Field would make him angrier.I'd say the Hulk can send Juggs packing, and unless he can come back On His Own that emans Hulk Wins. Because when he starts punching through Time, and the stuff I've shown (Which isn't everything) I'd say that Force-Field wouldn't be a factor.
E: Oh Apollo, you didn't question Jugg's being stopped, but Sam Z did so I decided to post those scans again.
Originally posted by Dalak
How did Hulk hit him before? In fact his fists bouncing off that Force Field would make him angrier.I'd say the Hulk can send Juggs packing, and unless he can come back On His Own that emans Hulk Wins. Because when he starts punching through Time, and the stuff I've shown (Which isn't everything) I'd say that Force-Field wouldn't be a factor.
E: Oh Apollo, you didn't question Jugg's being stopped, but Sam Z did so I decided to post those scans again.
Time Storm, er, thats fantastic, Eternity Threw Juggernaut into Oblivion, and er, he still came back.......
