Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by TheDecider
Wow hulk fans you just ignore facts. You say we are underestimateing hulks durability. PROVE THIS. you say he has been hit by people stronger than juggernaut and not been koed. You dont say who and even if it happen im sure it was in an enraged state. Hulk starts off calm in this fight and Juggernaut pwns his ass in 5 minutes. Juggernaut has enough strength feats to show he has the strength to KO a calm hulk. Wow im just restating everything because you just skip over this stuff and read only things you can argue with.

Even if Hulk starts off calm, he naturally get really pissed, knowing he's going to fight, and Cain isn't quick enough to KO before then.

Originally posted by bigbran
a god blast is alittle more than hulk has been shown to do. and the hammer tinged off juggs.

😆 its not stopping him, standing in front and pushing him back is stopping him.

😆 when will you ever stop joking? your such a kidder.

😆 😆 😆 😆

Universe-destroying blast>>>>>>>>> Godblast.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You're not just ignoring fact, you're ignoring common sense now.

Adrenaline ----> food, water, sleep -----> adrenaline ------> food, water, sleep -------> adrenaline.

If thats the case, why does Hulk say in one scan, "Im starving, I dont remember the last time I ate"

Dinalfos and Accel prove what ive been asking for, you are just skipping my posts or something and reading irrelivant posts

Originally posted by Accel
I've stated this several times. He's taken blows from Dar w/ the PG, the Super-Adaptoid (who had the strength of every Avenger and a total of a hundred heroes, which would include the likes of Thor and Hercules), and even Classic Juggernaut himself.

Even if Hulk starts off calm, he naturally get really pissed, knowing he's going to fight, and Cain isn't quick enough to KO before then.

Hulk withstood a blast that ripped apart a universe.

Universe-destroying blast>>>>>>>>> Godblast.

Actually he redirected that blast with a sonic Clap.

Originally posted by Accel
If you truly believe Hulk will not be able to take his blows, then you really are underestimating his durability. And we've seen the shield fail to keep Thor's hammer from touching him. It doesn't keep outside beings from total from punching him.

Yes. Hitting him from behind and making his charge stop IS stopping him.

He was knocked down and had to get up. That's stopping him, I'm afraid

All right, so the mountain stopped him.

Not necessarily. No force can stop his foward momentum unless he wills himself to stop. Had Juggernaut wanted to, could he not have just kept moving foward even though pushed? Yes. He stopped under his own power. Yes, he was pushed down, but I'm sure you know that momentum carries you even when you go down. If Juggy wanted to, he very well could've kept moving forward. Possibly a roll and then back on his feet. Easily do-able.

But he stopped under his own power to face his attacker. It's a bit different.

And honestly? If that method was effective, don't you think all of Juggy's opponents would've done that to him by now? Doesn't appear to have worked at all for anyone else who's tried.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
It does show that. It even says it. What it does not say or show, however, is that Juggernaut was caught off guard.

But I'm not going over this again.

Honestly how can you even say it begins to show him overpowering Juggs when it doesn't.

ok Accel, was it normal hulk in a calm state that took those hits? I doubt it. Juggernaut is bloodlusted in this fight. He has never gone all out and will just pound hulk into the dust. He will be so dazed he wont even be able to get angry. Wow just admit hulk loses at least 1/10 AT LEAST and Juggernaut loses 0/10 stalemates the rest. Vote Juggernaut

Woot the polls are tied looks like Juggernaut will finally get the respect he deserves. Come on hulk fans just give up your beat. It was a good debate but you have to give in sometime.

Originally posted by TheDecider
Hulk gets tired over long periods of time even with his anger feeding him adreniline. Half of the scans say hes getting tired but his anger keeps him going. It says no where that it can keep him going forever so i assume it cant. Juggernauts powerset/bio say he can go forever so we assume he can.

He can fight for as long as the battle lasts, which in this case will be an eternity.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Normally, I'd agree with you. But looking at the scan again, it's clear that Juggy was doing maybe...a jogging pace. Noticing the action lines behind Hulk, we can see that he was going far faster than Juggernaut and easily caught up to him. That's why it's not much of a feat that he was able to throw Juggy off-balance.

I mean, you can still shoot someone running in the opposite direction. Same thing applies here.

Or football (American, just in case there are any non-Americans here at the moment) for that matter. Running players get tackled all the time by a dive from the defender behind them. It's more about who was faster.

In this case, it looked like Hulk was sprinting and Juggy was doing something equivalent to jogging. So Hulk easily caught up to him.

No, Juggernaut was NOT jogging. Clearly not. However, let's suppose he was, the Juggernaut has been shown to be "unstoppable" when he walks normally, right? A jog shouldn't make a difference. But again, he is clearly not jogging. And yes, maybe Hulk ran faster, but how do you perform a shoulder charge when running after someone? By the time you set your shoulders in an offensive motion(seperate from the rest of your body), the person running might be ahead of him. Seriously, it's just not the same.

And the Juggernaut is supposed to be unstoppable, more so than your average football player. So that shouldn't make things even harder..

Originally posted by TheDecider
Ok us juggernaut fans need to stop debating about irrelavent information like whether or not he was stopped because it would still be much harder to hurt him. We need the hulk fans to prove he can win. Still they havent they just argue information that is useless like stopping him or some mountain feat that no one cares about.

Oh I made the point about Hulk punching Juggs into another dimension, but I was told it wasn't in Hulk's Powerset because he had to get angry to do it. The only Juggernaut shown to break through dimensional fabrics was Trion Juggernaut with is an Obvious power up that can't be ignored like teh 8th Day powerup.

Also I brought up that if Juggs were thrown and hit a planet/sun/black hole before he caught himself he wouldn't be able to make it back to Earth either. He'd have to walk back the exact route he flew through space, and if that was altered by passing(Gravity)/landing on some Celestial Bodies he'll never make it back. Plus there are random Wormoles in space that could 'port him around and keep him lost as well.

It wasn't that far back whenever you told me to go back and search over 360 pages for a reference to a Box. I even referenced it after that if I remember right.

Originally posted by newjak86
No it stating that would mean it saying it and not Simply the Angier Hulk gets and showing him managing to grab Jugg's hemey and tossing him when Cain has already thought he won.

Honestly how can you even say it begins to show him overpowering Juggs when it doesn't.

Juggernaut was attempting to break his neck, failed and got overpowered. It may not look like it to you(I don't know why, though), but that sure was the intention. Juggernaut had created himself the perfect leverage.

imwhatching kung fu hustle. best fighting scenes ever!!

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Juggernaut was attempting to break his neck, failed and got overpowered. It may not look like it to you(I don't know why, though), but that sure was the intention. Juggernaut had created himself the perfect leverage.

They also try to show that beating the CIS laden Professor means Juggs will win.

Originally posted by bigbran
imwhatching kung fu hustle. best fighting scenes ever!!

I'm still waiting for your reasoning in thinking that picking up a static weight is better than bracing a falling one.

Juggernaut wins, its over, hulk looses, hulk dosent win, hulk dies, however you want to say it.

JUGGERNAUT COMES OUT ON TOP!

Originally posted by Dinalfos
No, Juggernaut was NOT jogging. Clearly not. However, let's suppose he was, the Juggernaut has been shown to be "unstoppable" when he walks normally, right? A jog shouldn't make a difference. But again, he is clearly not jogging. And yes, maybe Hulk ran faster, but how do you perform a shoulder charge when running after someone? By the time you set your shoulders in an offensive motion(seperate from the rest of your body), the person running might be ahead of him. Seriously, it's just not the same.

And the Juggernaut is supposed to be unstoppable, more so than your average football player. So that shouldn't make things even harder..

I'm not really sure I understood your explanation.

Honestly, the speed at which Juggy was moving is irrelevant. Hulk caught up to him. And why do you feel that it was impossible for Hulk to perform a shoulder charge on a running-in-opposite-direction opponent? He moved faster, he caught up to him. He puts his shoulder in the offensive stance, not slowing down. He hits Juggy with his superior speed at the time.

I'm not sure what it is that seems so weird to you there.

Originally posted by Dalak
I'm still waiting for your reasoning in thinking that picking up a static weight is better than bracing a falling one.

Dalak..........Does it really matter in this fight.

Think aboiut it. 😉

Originally posted by Reaper777
Juggernaut wins, its over, hulk looses, hulk dosent win, hulk dies, however you want to say it.

JUGGERNAUT COMES OUT ON TOP!

Becoz teh JugGernaAitis unStopaBle!!1!!1!!1!

😉

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Actually he redirected that blast with a sonic Clap.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And honestly? If that method was effective, don't you think all of Juggy's opponents would've done that to him by now? Doesn't appear to have worked at all for anyone else who's tried.

Originally posted by TheDecider
ok Accel, was it normal hulk in a calm state that took those hits? I doubt it. Juggernaut is bloodlusted in this fight. He has never gone all out and will just pound hulk into the dust. He will be so dazed he wont even be able to get angry.

Originally posted by TheDecider
Wow just admit hulk loses at least 1/10 AT LEAST and Juggernaut loses 0/10 stalemates the rest. Vote Juggernaut

I already admitted that it's possible for Juggernaut to win, but chances are much more likely that this will be a stalemate.