Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I remember it too. Half his head for sure like hereBut I like others are still waiting for the scan where Hulk owned Doomsday and not a virtual simulation.
In my personal experience from when I used to debate on the now extinct Old-wizard web site.
Many posters tend to lie or overblown things out of proportion, forget context or just plain debate based on ignorance. Hulk fans were the most common ammong them and many went to OW with miss information gathered from mainly here.
In there I learned to question the veracity of every scan, even if it is on a respect thread and even more if it came from a chronic unreliable source.
Sometimes I have made those mistakes (anyone can be wrong) but if this is a chronic behaviour, then th best thing to do is to take any "evidence" and post with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by janus77
There is _no_ proof for the speculation (lowballing) that Hulk was amped by the Celestial Tech. Apocalypse explains what it does to harness Hulk's energies.There is however _proof_ that Apocalypse's readings of Hulk's energies are enough for him to believe Hulk's energies possibly sufficient to counter The Celestials. Plural.
So, unless you have any _evidence_ to support the, so far baseless, assumption that Hulk, as War, was having his strength amped by the Celestial Tech, when he stopped Juggernaut, it would seem to me that such a line of "reasoning" is nothing but lowballing.
So do you just enjoy arguing with mods?
Amped or not, Hulk is still altered by celestial tech. That invalidates using it by the rules of the forum.
So drop it, please.
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carver, stop backseat modding.
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Hulk never owned Doomsday in any sort of canon (to this board) setting, so it doesn't matter.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
In my personal experience from when I used to debate on the now extinct Old-wizard web site.Many posters tend to lie or overblown things out of proportion, forget context or just plain debate based on ignorance. Hulk fans were the most common ammong them and many went to OW with miss information gathered from mainly here.
In there I learned to question the veracity of every scan, even if it is on a respect thread and even more if it came from a chronic unreliable source.
Sometimes I have made those mistakes (anyone can be wrong) but if this is a chronic behaviour, then th best thing to do is to take any "evidence" and post with a grain of salt.
Disagree with it being Hulk fans majority of the time, if at all. Look at all the stuff ABHI been called out on. Including yourself. What does this have to do with Juggernaut and Hulk. Stop taking things so personal and debate.
I've always taken this position, more/less regardless of how the comics have done it:
Juggernaut. Once he begins forward momentum, nothing can stop that. Period. Not even Hulk.
All other manifestations of strength: Hulk is SOTI. Period.
Who wins? Depends on what Hulk does. Just like you don't play to Hulk's strengths and expect to win, you don't play to Juggs' strength and expect to win. Hulk should not face Juggernaut head-on. If he follows this simple rule, Hulk wins, always...or should.
(If I've posted this before, sorry. Sometimes it's hard to keep track.)
Originally posted by carver9
Disagree with it being Hulk fans majority of the time, if at all. Look at all the stuff ABHI been called out on. Including yourself. What does this have to do with Juggernaut and Hulk. Stop taking things so personal and debate.
Just because Abhi does it too, doesn't mean you don't.
Hulk fans are as bad as any other fans on the forum, and that includes Thor and Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Disagree with it being Hulk fans majority of the time, if at all. Look at all the stuff ABHI been called out on. Including yourself. What does this have to do with Juggernaut and Hulk. Stop taking things so personal and debate.
I said this was a personal experience, it does not have to be your experience.
and what do you mean by "Including yourself" ?
and some of the feats allegedly "debunked" for Superman, have been grossly missed, Superman to understand his feats, you need to read like 6 tittles or so, sometimes, not only the average one comic book issue.
For example:
Superman gets defeated by the fatal five
Superman survives and gets KO'ed by a Tanagarian Hyperdrive
That is cool and everything, We have the feats and the scans, what is missing in there that it was not shown in any of those books is that Superman was suffering a mental breakdown that reduced his power level and He wanted to stop being Superman and more being Clark Kent, So basically those two instances mentioned happened while Superman was weakened, but you won't find that out unless you read All the issues in which Superman appeared that month.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I already gave my opinion on the outcome. though is a very close fight.Hopefully you won't accuse me that is because I don't like the Juggernaut.
You don't discredit every last one of Juggernaut fts so I see no reason for you to dislike Juggernaut.
Who did you give the win to?
Originally posted by carver9
You don't bring out the context to every last one of Juggernaut fts so I see no reason for you to dislike Juggernaut.Who did you give the win to?
Fixed
And to respond
I don't because I have not gotten so far into a full debate of Juggernaut, like that 8th day Juggernaut vs HP Doomsday.
Honestly I read the 8th day and I don't see what Juggernaut did that place him leaps and bounds above the most standard version of him.
You can see and improvement, but nothing that it will be substantially huge.
And my previous post already gave you the answer on who do I think wins, think buddy think.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
In my personal experience from when I used to debate on the now extinct Old-wizard web site.Many posters tend to lie or overblown things out of proportion, forget context or just plain debate based on ignorance. Hulk fans were the most common ammong them and many went to OW with miss information gathered from mainly here.
In there I learned to question the veracity of every scan, even if it is on a respect thread and even more if it came from a chronic unreliable source.
Sometimes I have made those mistakes (anyone can be wrong) but if this is a chronic behaviour, then th best thing to do is to take any "evidence" and post with a grain of salt.
You have been in the Heroclix comic book chat? 😄
Yeah, that's true. 👆
Anyway. Hulk's only chance to win is going WB and overpowering Cyt enchantment. I think he could do it.
Originally posted by Mindship
I've always taken this position, more/less regardless of how the comics have done it:Juggernaut. Once he begins forward momentum, nothing can stop that. Period.
This is basically where I have been coming from. But then I got called a liar and told that I was pulling the whole "once he begins forward momentum" bit from my posterior. Smh lol
Originally posted by Odekahn
This is basically where I have been coming from. But then I got called a liar and told that I was pulling the whole "once he begins forward momentum" bit from my posterior. Smh lol
This is probably the new way Marvel considers Juggernaut's power.
How his power work might have been retcon and in the modern era this might be the way it works now.
Though I haven't read to much on Juggernaut to be sure, He mainly appears on X books and my teen age drama days are long gone 😄
Just like Superman, whom in the beginning moved objects in mid air with something else but strength, but later retcon to only strength.
This could be the case for Juggernaut's powers. I believe Mod ruling indicates that latest info should replace old info.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This is probably the new way Marvel considers Juggernaut's power.How his power work [b]might
have been retcon and in the modern era this might be the way it works now.Though I haven't read to much on Juggernaut to be sure, He mainly appears on X books and my teen age drama days are long gone 😄
Just like Superman, whom in the beginning moved objects in mid air with something else but strength, but later retcon to only strength.
This could be the case for Juggernaut's powers. I believe Mod ruling indicates that latest info should replace old info. [/B]
I wonder if we could get a mod ruling on if his enchantment needs forward momentum??
Originally posted by OdekahnWhen things get too convoluted, I return to the basics. This was Juggs' tagline back in the day. That's what he does. By sticking to this, I figure I'm giving him his due without taking anything away from Hulk, who (except for the forward momentum) is SOTI. That's what he does.
This is basically where I have been coming from. But then I got called a liar and told that I was pulling the whole "once he begins forward momentum" bit from my posterior. Smh lol
Given all the reboots and changes and character versions, my approach may not always be the most accurate. But it simplifies and makes the essence of the character clear (for me, anyway).