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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Pick up a dictionary, there's your factual definitions.

If you look back, I never even denied that the definition 'Kid came up with was factual, I was denying it being applicable today, since it's rendered obsolete. It's still A factual definition, like "Gay" still literally (pretentiously) means "Happy".

If you are asking me why the English language is factual, I will honestly suggest schooling. Literally go and attend school.

-AC

Did you know I also wrote a dictionary? It contains all the definitions as written down by me. I guess that's pretty factual, then? So now me not being a Nirvana fan is officially a fact, according to my dictionary.

EDIT: Yes, I'm Dutch and so is my name.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Did you know I also wrote a dictionary? It contains all the definitions as written down by me. I guess that's pretty factual, then? So now me not being a Nirvana fan is officially a fact, according to my dictionary.

EDIT: Yes, I'm Dutch and so is my name.

It's not factual, it's you using existing words in a way that suits you because you don't like the fact that you are a fan of Nirvana, it's also one of the more stupid posts I've seen on KMC's music forum.

I seriously don't understand your problem, do you hate the band? No. Do you like the band? Yes. Do you like their music? Yes. Their albums? Yes.

Therefore, you are a fan. Why is there any debate? Why did you come into this thread to say "I really like Nirvana's music, but I'm not a fan."?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I can, but he's wrong, isn't he? Put aside the fact that you have a rabid desire to debate me, for a second.

I think we can both agree that regardless of what he has decided to believe, liking Nirvana, their albums and their music, makes you a fan. There are very many degrees of being a fan of a band, and I'd say really liking their music, their albums etc, is one very undeniable case.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Yes, I'm Dutch and so is my name.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Why do you flatter your self so much ? I reply and debate here just like you reply and debate.

I wouldn't disagree with you just because it was you, though. I know you from other forums, and regardless of my opinion of you, I know you're not as stupid as that.

He is sitting there saying "I like them, I really like their albums.", he is clearly a fan.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, he's probably more a fan of Nirvana than I am of Mike Patton. But it's his decision if he wants to be called a fan or no.

Fans all the same, though. You say everything is black and white, to me, but I'm not the one with an fist-tight idea of what fan means. It means what it says it means.

If he doesn't like me calling him a fan, that's different. He is one, though. Some people don't like their birthnames, but factually, that is their name, regardless of what they go by.

-AC

Ok, I'm gonna put if differently, perhaps you'll understand where I'm coming from:

I'm not speaking English... it's actually Bierbommian, which is derived from the English Language, with some slight alterations here and there.
In Bierbommian, the word "Fan" actually means someone who is at least moderately fanatic about something.

We're basicely speaking two different languages.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Ok, I'm gonna put if differently, perhaps you'll understand where I'm coming from:

I'm not speaking English... it's actually Bierbommian, which is derived from the English Language, with some slight alterations here and there.
In Bierbommian, the word "Fan" actually means someone who is at least moderately fanatic about something.

We're basicely speaking two different languages.

No, you made one up to justify a retarded view. You're wrong, as you were then...but for a laugh:

"'Fan' actually means someone who is at least moderately fanatic about something.".

Arguing with yourself.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you made one up to justify a retarded view. You're wrong, as you were then...but for a laugh:

"'Fan' actually means someone who is at least moderately fanatic about something.".

Arguing with yourself.

-AC

Yes, you're right, I made up a language. And? Every language basicely started this way. Mankind made up a means of communication. It all spawned from the human brain. Including this one.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Yes, you're right, I made up a language. And? Every language basicely started this way. Mankind made up a means of communication. It all spawned from the human brain. Including this one.

I do get your point, actually, everything come from somewhere.

However, I'm in two-minds about whether you are legitimately serious, or if you're just posing as some idiot who believes he can invent a language, go by a definition existing purely because he doesn't like being called a fan, and expecting it to be taken seriously.

I'm hoping the latter.

Here's the crux of the matter: Do you like Nirvana's albums, do you like the band? The answer is "Yes" and "Yes" isn't it?

Fan then.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
However, I'm in two-minds about whether you are legitimately serious, or if you're just posing as some idiot who believes he can invent a language, go by a definition existing purely because he doesn't like being called a fan, and expecting it to be taken seriously.

I'm hoping the latter.

I'm not trying to pose, so I guess it's the first. Sorry for disappointing you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Here's the crux of the matter: Do you like Nirvana's albums, do you like the band? The answer is "Yes" and "Yes" isn't it?

Fan then.

-AC

I like the band and their albums, but I'm not an ardent devotee. I don't feel any strong enthousiasm for Nirvana, nor am I passionate about them. I just like 'em. Nothing more.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I'm not trying to pose, so I guess it's the first. Sorry for disappointing you.

Then you have less intelligence that I gave credit for.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I saw that pre-edit mister... you jump faster than me at times 😛

You obviously feel enthusiasm to some degree, because you aren't neutral to them. You like them, you like their albums, so you are a fan to some degree.

It doesn't have to be an ardent devotee.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You obviously feel enthusiasm to some degree, because you aren't neutral to them. You like them, you like their albums, so you are a fan to some degree.

It doesn't have to be an ardent devotee.

-AC

fan:

An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.

Ring any bells? Dictionary.com

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
fan:

An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.

Ring any bells? Dictionary.com

What did I call you? An enthusiast.

You have enthusiasm, do you not? Are you neutral to Nirvana? No. Do you hate or dislike Nirvana? No.

Do you like them and their work? Yes, so you have enthusiasm enough to fall on one side of the fence. You are a fan, you like their albums.

If you say "Please don't call me a fan, I dislike that word", I will refrain from using that WORD. It doesn't change the fact that you are a fan though.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What did I call you? An enthusiast.

You have enthusiasm, do you not? Are you neutral to Nirvana? No. Do you hate or dislike Nirvana? No.

Do you like them and their work? Yes, so you have enthusiasm enough to fall on one side of the fence. You are a fan, you like their albums.

If you say "Please don't call me a fan, I dislike that word", I will refrain from using that WORD. It doesn't change the fact that you are a fan though.

-AC

en·thu·si·ast

1. One who is filled with enthusiasm; one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit: a baseball enthusiast.
2. A zealot; a fanatic.

I know you're gonna comment on the "filled with enthusiasm" bit. Seeing as it doesn't literally mention the ammount, that is open to interpertation. But looking at what follows behind the ; I think it's safe to guess it doesn't just mean a bit, seeing as someone who is ardently absorbed in an interest is hardly just being a little enthusiastic.

I'm neither an enthusiast or an ardent devotee when it comes to Nirvana, and therefore not a fan.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
en·thu·si·ast

1. One who is filled with enthusiasm; one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit: a baseball enthusiast.
2. A zealot; a fanatic.

I know you're gonna comment on the "filled with enthusiasm" bit. Seeing as it doesn't literally mention the ammount, that is open to interpertation. But looking at what follows behind the [B]; I think it's safe to guess it doesn't just mean a bit, seeing as someone who is ardently absorbed in an interest is hardly just being a little enthusiastic.

I'm neither an enthusiast or an ardent devotee when it comes to Nirvana, and therefore not a fan. [/B]

en·thu·si·asm
n.
Great excitement for or interest in a subject or cause.
A source or cause of great excitement or interest.

You have interest in them, furthermore, you have a positive opinion and liking for them. Ergo, you have enthusiasm.

Admittedly, that's all very, very pointless and I've given you far too much time regarding the pathetic claim that you are not a fan of the band despite liking them and their work, that's my fault.

You're a Nirvana fan, that's about all there is to it. Like it or not, you are.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
en·thu·si·asm
n.
Great excitement for [b]or interest in a subject or cause.
A source or cause of great excitement or interest.

You have interest in them, furthermore, you have a positive opinion and liking for them. Ergo, you have enthusiasm.

Admittedly, that's all very, very pointless and I've given you far too much time regarding the pathetic claim that you are not a fan of the band despite liking them and their work, that's my fault.

You're a Nirvana fan, that's about all there is to it. Like it or not, you are.[/B]

Dude, you're reading the definitions the wrong way. The important word is written in Italic, but I guess you missed it.

Great excitement or great interest. I don't have great interest in Nirvana. I have casual interest. So not a fan.

Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Dude, you're reading the definitions the wrong way. The important word is written in Italic, but I guess you missed it.

[B]Great excitement or great interest. I don't have great interest in Nirvana. I have casual interest. So not a fan. [/B]

How in your warped little mind did you conclude that I'm getting the definitions wrong, when you're sitting there saying "I like them, but I'm not a fan."?

The irony is, you spoke out against the dictionary when it proved you wrong, so now you're using it? Funny that.

Another funny thing is that it says "Great excitement for (end) OR interest.", nothing about great interest, just excitement.

This is all pointless. Why won't you accept that liking a band means you're a fan? Let's do a test, I'll make a thread, we'll see how well this bs holds up there.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How in your warped little mind did you conclude that I'm getting the definitions wrong, when you're sitting there saying "I like them, but I'm not a fan."?

The irony is, you spoke out against the dictionary when it proved you wrong, so now you're using it? Funny that.

Apparantly dictionary.com never proved me wrong, actually it proves me right. I still stand by my point that dictionaries are not the be all and end all of definitions, though. Doesn't mean I can't agree with it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Another funny thing is that it says "Great excitement for (end) OR interest.", nothing about great interest, just excitement.

That's the reason "or" is Italic. Had it meant what you think it means, the or would not have been Italic. Anyone remotely familiar with language knows this.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is all pointless. Why won't you accept that liking a band means you're a fan? Let's do a test, I'll make a thread, we'll see how well this bs holds up there.

-AC

By all means, make a thread.

Reply is in the new thread.

-AC

anyone heard Thom Yorke's 'The Eraser'?