Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You like his voice and one of his albums, yet you aren't a fan of the man to any degree, whatsoever?
I don't want to get into this debate, but to me, liking someone's voice and one of his albums hardly qualifies as being fanatical about him. I happen to really like Nirvana's albums, but I wouldn't consider myself a fan in any sense.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I don't want to get into this debate, but to me, liking someone's voice and one of his albums hardly qualifies as being fanatical about him. I happen to really like Nirvana's albums, but I wouldn't consider myself a fan in any sense.
There's a difference between being a fan to a small degree and being fanatical about something. You're doing what 'Kid is doing with pop/popular; Combining the two because they sound alike.
I'm not saying he's some fanatical Patton nutcase, I'm saying he's obviously a fan of his voice and one album, so he is a fan to a degree.
Saying you really like Nirvana's albums but don't consider yourself a fan...well that's just dumb. A fan is, by definition: An enthusiast regarding a particular subject.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There's a difference between being a fan to a small degree and being fanatical about something. You're doing what 'Kid is doing with pop/popular; Combining the two because they sound alike.
I am yes. Cause my definition of fan differs from yours. For me, a fan is someone at least mildly fanatical about something, usually following the band. There isn't one given definition for the word. Everyone's got their own ideas on what makes a fan a fan.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Saying you really like Nirvana's albums but don't consider yourself a fan...well that's just dumb. A fan is, by definition: An enthusiast regarding a particular subject.
By your definition, not by mine. I don't follow Nirvana and look up news on them every day etc. That's cause I'm not a fan, at least by my definition.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I am yes. Cause my definition of fan differs from yours. For me, a fan is someone at least mildly fanatical about something, usually following the band. There isn't one given definition for the word. Everyone's got their own ideas on what makes a fan a fan.
Look up "Fan". You don't have the right to change the definition of the term "Fan", it's set. Just like, in his defense, 'Kid's definition of "Pop" may still LITERALLY exist.
The difference is, his is no longer applicable today. Just like the term "Gay" no longer really, relevently means "Happy". Fan is one continual definition throught time and history, it hasn't changed because it isn't defined or moulded by society. Popularity is defined by society, ergo that definition is rendered non-applicable by society's will to change it.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
By your definition, not by mine. I don't follow Nirvana and look up news on them every day etc. That's cause I'm not a fan, at least by my definition.
It doesn't matter what your definition is with regards to this word, it's not defined by the present time. Fan means what "Fan" is defined by.
You really like their albums, therefore you are a fan. You may not be as much of a fan as someone who goes around saying they're the best band ever, with Nirvana stickers on the backpack, posters on the wall, but you're still a fan.
I love the old "I don't wanna get into this debate" remark, because it's never true, from the minute you post.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
http://www.dictionary.comLook up "Fan". You don't have the right to change the definition of the term "Fan", it's set. Just like, in his defense, 'Kid's definition of "Pop" may still LITERALLY exist.
The difference is, his is no longer applicable today. Just like the term "Gay" no longer really, relevently means "Happy". Fan is one continual definition throught time and history, it hasn't changed because it isn't defined or moulded by society.
It doesn't matter what your definition is with regards to this word, it's not defined by the present time. Fan means what "Fan" is defined by.
You really like their albums, therefore you are a fan. You may not be as much of a fan as someone who goes around saying they're the best band ever, with Nirvana stickers on the backpack, posters on the wall, but you're still a fan.
-AC
Yeah, it has a given definition to YOU, not me. Just because the definition is written down doesn't make it the same for everyone. At least not for me.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I love the old "I don't wanna get into this debate" remark, because it's never true, from the minute you post.
How do you know what I want and don't want? Just because I did get into the debate doesn't mean I wanted to.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Yeah, it has a given definition to YOU, not me. Just because the definition is written down doesn't make it the same for everyone. At least not for me.
You can't argue against the English language, buddy. Terms like "Gay", "Popular" etc, these change their parameters over time, "Fan" does not. It literally means an enthusiast to any degree, be it extreme or not. You are a fan of Nirvana, maybe not a big fan, but a fan nonetheless.
"I really like their albums and the band, but I'm not a fan". Stop being stupid.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
How do you know what I want and don't want? Just because I did get into the debate doesn't mean I wanted to.
You chose to post and get into the debate, three times, when you could have not posted. You will undoubtedly continue to.
Either you want to or you don't, and by posting you have proved you do. If you don't want to be in it, leave.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can't argue against the English language, buddy. Terms like "Gay", "Popular" etc, these change their parameters over time, "Fan" does not. It literally means an enthusiast to any degree, be it extreme or not. You are a fan of Nirvana, maybe not a big fan, but a fan nonetheless."I really like their albums and the band, but I'm not a fan". Stop being stupid.
YOU consider me a fan of Nirvana, I don't. I just like their albums. You believe that makes me fan. I don't. That's because our definitions of the word "fan" differ. Or maybe not exactly the definition, but the heaviness (for lack of a better word at the mo) of the word. I just don't as easily consider someone a fan as you do.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You chose to post and get into the debate, three times, when you could have not posted. You will undoubtedly continue to.Either you want to or you don't, and by posting you have proved you do. If you don't want to be in it, leave.
-AC
Initially I had hoped you'd get my point without starting a debate. I believe stepping out of a debate in the middle of it is just being a coward. I would have finished it even if I might not have wanted to. But Ill admit I'm not disliking it quite as much as time goes by.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
YOU consider me a fan of Nirvana, I don't. I just like their albums. You believe that makes me fan. I don't. That's because our definitions of the word "fan" differ. Or maybe not exactly the definition, but the heaviness (for lack of a better word at the mo) of the word. I just don't as easily consider someone a fan as you do.
Listen carefully, I'm not deciding if you're a fan or not, the word is. Fan means an an enthusiast regarding a subject, item, artform etc. This can be to any degree.
You like their albums, therefore you are a fan. It's not subjective in this case, it's fact. The word fan, as defined by the English dictionary, is what you are. You are attempting to argue against the English language and you won't win. You are a fan by fact, you are a enthusiast regarding the band's work, you've said this yourself. If you're just doing it because you want to be childish or because you simply don't want to be called a Nirvana fan, then stop liking them. As long as you like their ALBUMS, you are a fan.
Each time you reply, I am going to copy and paste the above quote, since that's all your posts require.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Initially I had hoped you'd get my point without starting a debate. I believe stepping out of a debate in the middle of it is just being a coward. I would have finished it even if I might not have wanted to. But Ill admit I'm not disliking it quite as much as time goes by.
I get your point, you're just wrong, fact. It's not about personal definitions.
Fan isn't able to be altered by the flexability of the modern world, no definition is LITERALLY. However some meanings are altered as a result of how the word pertains to society and elements therein.
"Fan" isn't one. I'm sorry to disappoint you.
-AC
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I don't want to get into this debate, but to me, liking someone's voice and one of his albums hardly qualifies as being fanatical about him. I happen to really like Nirvana's albums, but I wouldn't consider myself a fan in any sense.
From the moment you say something nice about a certain person, you are, according to him, officially a FAN.
Nirvana is great btw, especially Bleach and Nevermind. In Utero was the weakest album. Hey AC, what does that make me, 2/3 fan of Nirvana ?
(Hey Bierbommetje I like your nick. Oops, now I'm a fan of Bierbommetje. Goddamned I did it again.)
Originally posted by who?-kid
Don't bother, he just doesn't understand it...From the moment you say something nice about a certain person, you are, according to him, officially a FAN.
Nirvana is great btw, especially Bleach and Nevermind. In Utero was the weakest album. Hey AC, what does that make me, 2/3 fan of Nirvana ?
(Hey Bierbommetje I like your nick. Oops, now I'm a fan of Bierbommetje. Goddamned I did it again.)
I could actually sense the happiness that someone had turned up to semi-side with you. Anyway: What's a fan to you? Someone with posters, t-shirts, stickers? A fan is quite simply someone who is enthusiastic or positive regarding someone or something, specifically mediums, in this case; artistry.
In this case, bands and artists. He has said he really likes their albums (plural, no less), so how can you claim he's not a fan?
By that retard logic, what makes someone a fan? Having a tattoo? Don't be so dense.
Not to familiar with the English language I assume? No, it's fine. All those words, meanings, definitions, it's hard.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In this case, bands and artists. He has said he really likes their albums (plural, no less), so how can you claim he's not a fan?
And I'm pretty sure he knows better than you - and even me - if he's a fan or not. Do you have to argue about almost everything ?Not to familiar with the English language I assume? No, it's fine. All those words, meanings, definitions, it's hard.
Yeah spelling is also hard. It's "No too familiar", not "Not to familiar"... 😉
Originally posted by who?-kid
I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about you.And I'm pretty sure he knows better than you - and even me - if he's a fan or not. Do you have to argue about almost everything ?
As stupid as I think the whole "I like Angel Dust, and his voice, but I'm not a fan" debacle was, are you seriously trying to tell me that he is credible?
He likes their albums, he likes the band, how the hell is he not a fan? Because he says he's not? Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Yeah spelling is also hard. It's "No too familiar", not "Not to familiar"... 😉
It was a typo, I'm aware of how it's spelled, and for proof you can check my posts. I've not made that mistake anywhere else. I've noticed misspellings by you that I've not pointed out, what's your point? I could be as anal as you and point out that you don't put a space between question marks and the end of a line of text.
Either way, there's a post on the previous page. Go and reply to it, 'Kid, go on.
-AC
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
I'm not trying to debate against the English Language, I'm just interpreting it differently. What proof is there that the English Language is 100% correct and factual?
Are you actually serious? No, that's not a comedic question, it's genuine. Are you seriously asking that question with the intent of getting an answer?
Wait, before I reply, I want to see 'Kid try to defend this, just because the comment is aimed at me.
Forget it, I'll answer:
"You like their albums, therefore you are a fan. It's not subjective in this case, it's fact. The word fan, as defined by the English dictionary, is what you are. You are attempting to argue against the English language and you won't win. You are a fan by fact, you are a enthusiast regarding the band's work, you've said this yourself. If you're just doing it because you want to be childish or because you simply don't want to be called a Nirvana fan, then stop liking them. As long as you like their ALBUMS, you are a fan."
That's what you'll get whenever you reply, as that about closes it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As stupid as I think the whole "I like Angel Dust, and his voice, but I'm not a fan" debacle was, are you seriously trying to tell me that he is credible?
It was a typo, I'm aware of how it's spelled, and for proof you can check my posts. I've not made that mistake anywhere else. I've noticed misspellings by you that I've not pointed out, what's your point? I could be as anal as you and point out that you don't put a space between question marks and the end of a line of text.
And of course I write errors. English isn't even my second or third language.
Either way, there's a post on the previous page. Go and reply to it, 'Kid, go on.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are you actually serious? No, that's not a comedic question, it's genuine. Are you seriously asking that question with the intent of getting an answer?Wait, before I reply, I want to see 'Kid try to defend this, just because the comment is aimed at me.
Forget it, I'll answer:
"You like their albums, therefore you are a fan. It's not subjective in this case, it's fact. The word fan, as defined by the English dictionary, is what you are. You are attempting to argue against the English language and you won't win. You are a fan by fact, you are a enthusiast regarding the band's work, you've said this yourself. If you're just doing it because you want to be childish or because you simply don't want to be called a Nirvana fan, then stop liking them. As long as you like their ALBUMS, you are a fan."
That's what you'll get whenever you reply, as that about closes it.
-AC
You're not answering my question. You're just saying the English Language is factual and it's definitions can't be interpreted differentially. I want PROOF that the English Language is factual, regardless of this fan debate.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
You're not answering my question. You're just saying the English Language is factual and it's definitions can't be interpreted differentially. I want PROOF that the English Language is factual, regardless of this fan debate.
Pick up a dictionary, there's your factual definitions.
If you look back, I never even denied that the definition 'Kid came up with was factual, I was denying it being applicable today, since it's rendered obsolete. It's still A factual definition, like "Gay" still literally (pretentiously) means "Happy".
If you are asking me why the English language is factual, I will honestly suggest schooling. Literally go and attend school.
-AC
From the look of his nick, I'd say (very carefully) Bierbommetje is German or Dutch. They probably use the same word (fan) but it is possible the definition of it isn't as strictly defined as an English definition.
But Bierbommetje has a point. It's not like every single dictionary in the whole wide world has the exact same description for a certain word.
Originally posted by who?-kid
I don't see the world as black and white as you do. He has a different, more subtle opinion of the word "fan." I can live with that, you can't.
I can, but he's wrong, isn't he? Put aside the fact that you have a rabid desire to debate me, for a second. I think we can both agree that regardless of what he has decided to believe, liking Nirvana, their albums and their music, makes you a fan. There are very many degrees of being a fan of a band, and I'd say really liking their music, their albums etc, is one very undeniable case.
I thought your claim was stupid enough, but it wasn't as all encompassing as saying "I really like this band and their music.".
Shall we (you) stop pretending that nothing is fact and everyone is right if they want to be?
Originally posted by who?-kid
All very true, but you have to admit it was funny... Not to familiar with the English language huh ! and at the same time making a spelling error.
I can see why you'd find it funny, yes. I don't class typos as spelling errors, though. Anyone can make a typo.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Which debate ? I kinda lost track.
I referenced it at the end of my post on the previous page.
-AC
Originally posted by who?-kid
But Bierbommetje has a point. It's not like every single dictionary in the whole wide world has the exact same description for a certain word.
When I say "English" I don't mean, as opposed to German or Dutch linguistics. I mean by definition. "Fan" is what "Fan" is defined as. You know he's a fan, and I know you know he is, but you're just trying to agree with him because he disagrees with me.
It's as simple as that. Him not understanding the language means he should just grasp it better, not that he can go around deciding.
-AC