R2 and C3PO

We lose the POV of Anakin, because he's considered "lost"

You're agreeing with me. After EP3 we no longer see thing from Anakins perspective because his perspective changes. So we can't see things from his point of veiw through all six film.

When Anakin is lost to Obi-Wan and Yoda he is also lost to us. It's one of the most genius things about the prequels.

R2 and 3PO didn't have there usual role in TPM but they still had to be introduced. Maybe it's they way they were introduced that you didn't like. I loved it but it I would have liked it just as much if they had been introduced another way. B

But they had to be introduced because they are key to how we see the later films.

Jabba is an example of a redundant OT characte in TPM. But the droids are important and had to be introduced.

Why is Jabba considert important? He has a rol in OT that was important but that was it

I'm saying that he isn't important.

Why did they introduce him them?

I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It was pointless. There was no need for him to be there but the droids had to be introduced somehow because they are important.

But the Jabba scene was funny.

I don't know it kind of helps to see that Jabba really is a powerful character and someone to be reckoned with.. It makes you understand that there's alot of attention on him and you can understand why Han was so worried about repaying him.

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Well, KJ I am agreeing that focus changes, yes, of course. Anakin is no longer the hero, Luke is. It's still the same character though, the very same person we followed for three movies by then.

It's not just the way the droids were introduced, it's that they were introduced at all. Total redundancy so far and GL really has to pull off some great filmmaking to justify them in the PT. IMHO OC.

I think that the grey 3PO and the grey plate on his leg are connected, in the 70-80's GL said that 3PO was assembled from different droids

Queeg I still think the droids HAVE to be in the PT.

And Lucas could have made far more money from merchandise if he had introduced two brand new cooler characters so he must have plans for R2 and 3PO to take us through EP2 and 3.

Sure they had to be in the PT, because they've seen alot of wars, even the Clone Wars , see ANH: "Thanks the maker" scene
And if the Clone Wars is in EpII, R2 and 3PO had to be in EpII.
So why not introduce him in EpI??

Okay, KJ you can HAVE them in the PT. See! There they are. 😄

I just don't agree with you, that's all. But maybe ep2 and 3 will change my mind.

I'm sure it will. And I'm 100% sure that you will like TPM better after you see AOTC. Some of the scenes I didn't like about TPM are already made better by what I know about AOTC.

AOTC will not make TPM better. TPM is flawed because of cinematographical faults, not so much because of the story. I liked TPM a lot better after seeing the Phantom Edit.

It DOES make it better. It already has for me and my freinds and some of them hated TPM. After finding out what happens in AOTC you look at some scenes differently. Give it a chance. You've only seen the begginning of the story. When you see the middle and end it WILL make it better.

TPM is flawed because of cinematographical faults

Well, the lousy direction at the end, for a start... however, I have a feeling that queeq can give you a huge long list here.

Mind you, I would be highly surprised if I thought The Phantom Edit improves it in any way for me. But then, I like it already. But then, it COULD have been better. Also, I doubt if the later films will improve it for me. But then, a prequel does need to be judged against the films that come after. But then, it wasn't a great idea to make TPM so dependant on unreleased films in the first place...

Ok, I think I have made my position clear...

There are many reasons for TPM being faulty. And it's not like I don't know the story, I know it. We know the beginning, bits (crucial bits) of the middle and we know the end. The movie itself has some cinematographical errors. A major recut might save it. That being said, I like the story, it has everything for the rest of the story, I just think it wasn't told very well.

You still didn't say a thing!
You said where they are: beging middle and end
but not WHAT was faulty

Queeq I'm not saying that TPM is a perfect film. It's not. But I've never found any complaint about the film that can't be explained one way or another.(Jar Jar, Anakins Yipee! etc.). But I'm just interested in the faults you think are there.

Man, you want the whole list? That's a bit too much, but I'll give you a few to chew on.

1. Story redundancy. There's a lot of sequences and dialogue that slow down the story and have no bearing at all on the story. One example is the Bongo trip.

2. Rushed. I think TPM appears very rushed. Especially when the bad guys are involved, they hardly finish the last line in their scene and whoosh... a wipe.

3. Woody acting, I thought most acting was not very vibrant IMHO. Even by my favourite actors Neeson and McGregor.

4. Disney look. Gungan-battle droid battle.

5. BAd acting by Jake Lloyd. Many oopses and yippee's. And that's our future Vader.

There are a lot more things. But don't get me wrong, I'm not a basher.