Originally posted by Fire
don't tell me what I will or will not do, feel, know FE I told you this before. I might change ideas then but I doubt it.
You are the one that keeps saying even if you were at a church there would be another possibity that it's not God. So those are your words. You might change ideas but you doubt it? lol seee
ok Finti, thats what i'm thinking about you, everytime i give what is proof to me, you always come up with some excuse not to believeyou see I believe man is responsible for his action all by himself. You believe in a god that created man with free will. What I am saying if that was to be the case well then this god of your is indirectly responsible for mans action, not man alone, cause he created man with free will.
I dont need excuse not to believe. Why should I need an excuse for to me an obvious thing
to you they are not, but when you are there and feel the presence you know, when you see people getting filled w/the holy spirit, the power of God moving, YOU know it's realbeen there done that and it actually distanced me further fro the believe in god. In fact I found the entire experience rather ridiculous.
idd those are MY words point here being "MY" , I think I still am more of an expert on saying what I will be doing then some girl who doesn't even know me for a month.
or not?
I don't go around saying what other will or will not do, say, think or know and I dislike ppl who tell me I will or will not do, say or think something.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I'm not saying you need this to believe but it's obvisious that you do, cuz you don't have the faith. but..would you believe if you were in a church service and someone in a wheel chair wanted to be healed and rec'vd it, would you believe then? or would you try to come up w/some other reason?
have you ever been in a Pentecostal/assemble of God church before, where the Holy spirit (peoepl speaking in tongues were?) i guess then you would try to come up w/something then?
Originally posted by Storm
Even if we grant that a "miraculous" event is indeed exceptional enough to warrant an exceptional explanation, it cannot be assumed that this supports theism. We could, for example, postulate that the event was caused by the incredible powers of human minds rather than the incredible powers of a god' s mind. This explanation is no less credible and in fact has the advantage that we know that humans minds exist, whereas the existence of a god' s mind is questionable.The point is, if someone is going to advance one supernatural, paranormal or unusual explanation for an exceptional event, they have to be willing to consider every other supernatural, paranormal or unusual explanation. The question which thus faces the believer is: how can one possibly compare all these different explanations? How on earth can one reasonably support the idea that something occurred because of a god rather than human telepathy or ghosts?
I' m not sure that you can, but unless the believer is able to show why their supernatural explanation is preferable to all the others, their claims fall flat. This cuts to the very nature of what a valid explanation is. When you can' t show why your attempted explanation does a better job then mine, then you reveal that what you are saying does not really explain anything at all. It does not lead us to better understand the nature of the event and of our universe in general.
One problem for the argument from miracles is something which afflicts so many arguments for the existence of a god: it does nothing to support the likely existence of any particular god. Although this is a problem for many arguments, it does not immediately appear to be the case here - although any god might have created the universe, it seems that only the Christian God would likely be causing miraculous healings in Lourdes.
The difficulty here lies in the fact referenced above: every religion seems to make claims of miraculous events. If one religion' s claims are right and that religion' s god exists, what is the explanation for all the other miracles in other religions? It seems unlikely that the Christian God was causing miraculous healings in the name of ancient Greek gods at one time.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
Ok, what do you consider a sin? if you lie, you are a liar, all liars will have there place in hell. If you sleep w/someones spouce, you are an adulter, sin.
If you backstab, cheat, steal (even gum), deny Jesus if you deny him he will deny you before his Father, have any other Gods before him, which could mean a number of things: TV, internet.....list could go on and on, meaning do you spend time w/God, praying seeking him, seeking his ways, getting to know him. 🙂
I don't really consider anything to be a 'sin' as such, but I understand what it means to sin. It really depends on what you're talking about. I hardly think stealing a packet of gum warrants eternal damnation. Heh, wouldn't that be a b!tch? Sitting in hell with Hitler explaining to him that you're there because of a pack of juicy fruit. 😄 As for other gods, like TV or the net I don't have any. Sure I spend a fair amount of time on them but I don't need or worship them. They're just a luxury.
I read your other post and you said that people will always find a reason to deny god's existence. I suppose I could say that you will always find a reason to insist he exists. Even you've got to admit, there is no way you (or anyone else) can prove, without a doubt, that god exists. You say it's a miracle, I say it's a fluke. You say it's speaking in tongues, I say it's gibberish. If your god does exist he is the only one who can prove his existence. I'm open minded, if he were to come and talk to me I would not hesitate to accept him. In order for me to believe in anything I need more than superstition. I don't believe having a critical mind makes me evil, I see it as a positive thing.
Read what I write - don't read what you THINK I write.
IF God answers prayers he can intervene in our lives, right?
What if God intervenes because someone prayes and asks God to do something to person A, which person A does not WANT done?
IF God answers prayers and intervenes in our lives, why does he chose not to intervene to prevent rape, murder and war?
Example: HAs Christian women been raped? Yes. Don't you think these women prayed to God for help? Why didn't he help them?
Samurai Guy> Oh, man! Could you perhaps read the posts on "If God is our father, why's he such a lousy parent?"
Originally posted by The Omega
Read what I write - don't read what you THINK I write.
IF God answers prayers he can intervene in our lives, right?What if God intervenes because someone prayes and asks God to do something to person A, which person A does not WANT done?
IF God answers prayers and intervenes in our lives, why does he chose not to intervene to prevent rape, murder and war?
Example: HAs Christian women been raped? Yes. Don't you think these women prayed to God for help? Why didn't he help them?Samurai Guy> Oh, man! Could you perhaps read the posts on "If God is our father, why's he such a lousy parent?"
god cant intervine with rap, murder, or war coz he gave man free will
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Can I also ask you all a tiny favour 😮 Can you all use this thread for future God related discussions. I wont merge the rest of the threads (for now) cos it will create even more mess, just please dont make anymore..😮 Thanks.