Perfect Timing?

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Perfect Timing?

The first world was perfect, right? Then it failed, right? Right.

Okay, so did the first Anomally reach the Architect at the same time the humans rebelled against the system, in a sense? Did Zion get destroyed RIGHT at that exact time? Or did the humans rebel for a while, most were freed, and the left over people didn't notice the great decline in population until finally the One did get to the Architect? Just some questions I have...

idk.. i have NOOO clue dude.... why am i posting if i dont know ??

I don't know. Okay, then... Anyone KNOW?

the anomaly was not created in either the first or second matrix...the minds of the people rebelled at the programming to soon and in too great a quantity for the anomaly to build up enough to be expressed in a human...let me explain in this way...every human in the matrix, to some degree, disbelieves the programming. this disbelief builds up, until the pressure is so great that the program has to get rid of it somehow, thus, the code for the anomaly is placed in a human. If the anomaly dies, before the ONE realizes he is the ONE, there would be a massive upheaval, because the humans, and subsequently the system, would have all that doubt back, in a sense, putting more load on the system than was taken off of it...this would cause the humans to either be freed, or to die. The ONE was not manifest in the first or second matrix, until choice was introduced...the equation knowing it is unbalanced, and having a manifested unbalance wreaking havoc with the system. If that was confusing, tell me, but im not sure how else to say that...

Jedi

I think your mostly right. But if the anomaly couldn't be terminated before he realized he was the one, then the Agents would be programmed to stay away from the anomaly.

I look at it like this:

Due to the programming giving people a choice to believe the programming at a subconscious level, there is a mathematical probability that someone will reject the programming. The longer you go between anomalies, the greater the probability that there will be a rejection of the programming. (Math concepts: Probability and Statistics).

If one person rejected the programming, and this unbalanced equation (due to their existence) was left unchecked, it would lead to an exponentially greater probability of another anomaly - simultaneously. Also, the probability would grow that one of them would discover that they can manipulate the world around them - perhaps even see the code? (Maybe some freak accident kills them and they come back, or something traumatic happens that they react in a manner that causes them to realize their abilities...)

By leading Morpheus (and others before him) to find the anomaly and release him from the matrix would act as a temporary program patch - but this could not be allowed to remain in place because they can re-insert themselves into the matrix. So they would be dealing with the probability of a new anomaly forming, and the other anomaly hacking in to destroy them. This has system failure written all over it.

Probability and Statistics also gives us Morpheus: a character who blindly believes in the prophecy to the verge of a religious cult analogy. That is just the sort of person you want to plant the seed in to find the anomaly and begin the anomaly down a path that would inevitably lead to one of two possibilities - The stack is dumped, the anomaly's remainder is balanced, the external forces against the system would be neutralized (those released by the anomaly -- also considered to be a part of the anomaly see quote below), the release of some to rebuild in the real world (to help maintain the level of control over the anomaly), the system would stand fresh, and the cycle would start again.

This portion of Neo's conversation with the Architect supports the idea that the anomaly, while carried inside one person who originally refuses the program, is considered to be the whole that have rejected the program.

Architect:...creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo: This is about Zion.


However, this leaves room for a theory I am writing up, and have expressed to a coupld of people in PM, that the matrix is exponetial in it's existance, it also leaves room for the Mero = a previous anomaly theory (THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE TO BE TRUE -- just arguing for sake of debate to all of those who don't know), and that we really do not know the date because of several reasons:

1) If the Matrix works like this, it would be possible to unload the remainder balance by killing the anomaly before they ever reach the Architect -- especially if that anomaly had been released from the Matrix and had only hacked in. We could not know how many other anomalies there have been previously because of a little word that the architect uses: Integral.

[b]Definition of Integral: 1) adj. " existing as an essential artifact that is one of the individual parts of which a composite entity is made up; especially a part that can be separated from or attached to a system.
2) adj. Complete; Whole; Entire; Perfect
3) n. the result of a mathematical integration
This means that the anomaly, though it carries the remainder, is not necessarily complete - thus can be eliminated without further effect to the program since the code would be removed and the remainder would be nullified. So there could be many multiples of anomalies that never made it to the Architect.

2) If we accept reason number one to be true, then we have to accept that the cycle between anomalies is not set to be 100 years. It could possibly be exponetial, meaning that, using a base of 10 for an example, and understanding that there is 100 years between the 5th and 6th anomalies, there would be 1,000 years between anomalies 4 and 5, 100,000 between anomalies 2 and 3, and so on. I used 10 as a base because it's the standard logorithmic base and is easy to show.

3) Also if we accept reason number one to be true, then it is possible that the Mero could have been a previous anomaly and, much in the same way Smith copied himself over Bane, and became a rouge program seperate from the machine world, but not on the resistance's side either - since his existence is dependant on the existence of the matrix.

I discredit the Mero being a previous anomaly because Persephone came to the matrix with the Mero -- which means she would have to have been a human who the Mero would have had to copy into another program as well. I do not see this as likely; if at all possible.

I'm sure I just confused a lot of people...but I am working up a text file to cover my bases, I hope to have it done soon - but there's not much of a point Revo will be out Wed.... So I will only post it as a possible solution if Revo doesn't answer all the questions. In the mean time just PM me for answers - I'll give them as short as I can.

you know, i really dont feel like reading this, but i will...although you need to stop writing so much...and the only thing i can think of is that, everything. everyone has a purpose, a reason for being...the ONE will not die, it is not his purpose...in fact, one could say he IS superman, because the system will not kill him, it NEEDS him, more than every Sentinel, tow bomb, Agent...

Jedi

Sorry, I know I can be a bit long winded sometimes. Metaphorically speaking. My detailed explinations are so much longer tho-- I really am trying to consolidate things, but I don't want to leave out important details -- especially since I've been riden about having holes in my theories when I do consolidate!! That's why I decided to write a text doc - but with Revo coming out, I'm just going to wait until I know what questions, if any, are left unanswered for my theories... 😬

i think that ZION get destroyed exactly at the time when people rebelled against the system

what did the architect say the first time..
"this is the first time we are destroying zion, and were not sure if were any good at it" 😉

Jedi you are not quite right about Neo's purpose. Neo's purpose is like every other one's purpose. But when the oracle found out that Smith is planning to crash the matrix he made him believe or upgraded him with one of her sweets/cookies 🙂 that he is different. That's why he has chosen the other door. Because the machines know that they need him to destroy Smith. If there weren't Smith, Neo would be another One in the chain.

Okay, so Jedi, there were no anomallys in the first two? So technically, there were EIGHT matrices? I can understand that because the Architect said he counted from "One integral anomally to the next". But I'm not quite sure whether he stated that the anomally was only created after the 3rd version, when choice was introduced. I'll probably watch that scene soon enough anyway, thanks for the input. 😄

1 - perfect, failure
2 - redesigned, failure again
3 - the matrix as we know it
3.2 - sceond anomaly
3.3 - third
3.4 - fourth
3.5 - fith
3.6 - neo

...i think...

i still seriously think that the Architect was lying to Neo, and the doors actually meant something else.

Burly> I know it's written as 1, 2, 3.1, 3.2, etc. I'm just saying technically there were eight. Okiee dokiee. I get it now. 😄

wut?

I was talking to Burly... notice the "burly>" 😛

🙁

its a reload/update not a new matrix

burly> r u talking to me? If so, yeah, I know, so?

you said there were 8 ..i did think you knew... 😕