The LOOP.

Started by The Unknown4 pages

Again your analogy makes no sense... and Smith does know about the different Matrixes. He says "it's happening exactly the same". How would he know that if he only knew a little bit of the history?

yeah uhhh ... maybe he took over an older matrix program thing and figured out about the matrix past....

That's what I said earlier, lol.

When Smith was an Agent he only knew and did what the system told him to do, becuase he was still so to speak plugged in.

Agent Smith: I killed you, Mr. Anderson. I watched you die.... with some satisfaction, I might add. Then something happened- something I thought would be impossible, but it happened anyway. You destroyed me, Mr. Anderson. Afterwards, I was aware of the rules. I knew what I was supposed to do, but I didn't. I was compelled to stay- compelled to disobey. And right now, here I stand because of you, Mr. Anderson. Because of you, I'm no longer an Agent of this system. Because of you, I'm unplugged. A new man, sort of speak- like you. Apparently free.
Neo: Congratulations.
Agent Smith: Thank you.

Now that he is free He can do whatever he wants.

I agree since he has been taking over older programs that decided not to be deleted. he in a way has gained their knowlege. Its kinda like he could be filling the gaps in what he was told as an Agent.

From the trailers it looks like he took over the oracle. If he truly does that, he would gain all her knowlege about the Matrix and Neo. Think about that. If Smith takes over every program in the Matrix, he would now know the full truth. During the Super Brawl, we see that Smith has taken over everything.

What would happen if Neo killed the original Smith? Would the other Smiths disappear, leaving the original person/program, or would the Smiths and the hosts die?

dude like a vamp theory.. like kill the leader and the rest turn to normal..

That's not true with vampires...

well matters wut kind... like on blade... un true...... lost boys... true.....

No, on Lost Boys, only half-vampires would revert to normal, like Star, but for the other vamps in the gang, it wouldn't affect them (though it might kill them)

The Unknown

Smith did not know about the previous Matricies! His comment about "It's happening just as before" is taken out of context!!

To put it into context, in M1 Smith did not believe that Neo could kill him. Smith even makes reference to this in Reloaded when he says "I killed you Mr Anderson, and with a certain bit of satisfaction I might add, but then something happened. Something I knew was impossible but it happened anyway, you destroyed me Mr Anderson. Afterwards I knew the rules, I knew what I was supposed to do, but I didn't...."

Neo did not DELETE Smith, he crashed Smiths program shell, but that does not mean that the process wouldn't restart. Then, Smith was surprised by Neo's ability to fight and destroy him!

His comment about "It's happening just as before" is in reference to the agents last encounter with Neo. Just because someone enters the matrix does not mean that they always encounter an agent - and it's implied that there was no other encounters during that time. Which would make sense, because all's they had been doing was waiting on the Oracle and freeing minds, and with Neo's ability to fly, amongnst other things, they had a less likely probability of encountering agents. So that comment Smith made, taken in two parts and interpreted should be:

"It's happening just like before" -- There is an anomaly in that signal that can break the rules of our programming and defeat us
"Not exactly." -- I [Smith] can now replicate myself infinately to take the anomaly on as an army.

You're reading to much into it if you go beyond that.

That makes perfect sense to me...

Just a note, but the Agents could have tried to take down Neo dozens of times after M1 and before M2. Neo has probably been in the Matrix more than we have seen in the movie, i.e. the kid in Reloaded that thanks Neo for freeing his mind. Ya gotta go into the Matrix to do that.

The Unknown

Actually vampires are all traced back to ONE vampire. Dracula, if you must, but, truthfully, someone much older if you go by old mythology. And if you killed that vampire, all other vamipres would die, or return to human (depending on how much of a mix and how long the were infected as a vampire)

If a powerful vampire made other vampires, and he was killed, then those undernieth him would die or become human again. However those above that vampire would not die. Legend has it that the very first vampire was Judas, who hung himself at sun rise the day of Jesus's crusifiction. Kill him all vampires are gone, one way or another.

However Smith is a program. If you think like a computer, then you kill that program and all the other Smiths are still there. That would be because the data stream that is inherintly Smith was copied OVER the original data stream and the original data stream would thus be erased. However, if Smith is just taking over the "terminals" that people are plugged into, and not the people themselves, then it's possible they'd all be release. I just don't see that happening because what of those people while he has control of that station? Wouldn't their bodies reject the matrix programming since it's halted at that point causing a cataclysmic system failure - thus terminating Smiths connection to their terminal at machine reset?

I don't think they are coming back...

Hmm...makes you think...I don't do that after school... 😉

I think if Neo kills the original Smith, the clones will disappear and leave the victims.

Captin REX

Watch the Animatrix short "Kid's Story." Kid saved himself. Neo even comments on that. Neo didn't save him

But yes, Neo's probably been in the matrix dozens of times since M1, and it has been determined, almost undisputedly, that the phone call at the end of M1 happens JUST before Reloaded (not months before). However, due to Neo's abilities to read the code, and sense agents, and fly, this does not mean that there were any encounters through that time, and I think that we have to assume there weren't due to the Agents reaction, and Neo's reaction, when they meet in Reloaded:

"It's him. The anomaly. Do we proceed? Yes. He is still only human."

"Hmmm. Upgrades."

This could bee a standard thing, but I think it signifies that it was a first encounter. Morpheus also shows concern asking Link if Neo was alright, and so on.

Ah, I see. Maybe they were upgraded, but still knew about what the lesser Agents (Brown and Jones specifically) had done about Neo.

And I need to watch Animatrix anyway... 😛

They were upgraded...but I won't argue Neo couldn't have run into them before -- I just think that there is a strong probability that he was able to avoid them, atleast for a good majority of the time.

Also, agents in the first Matrix: Smith, Jones, Brown

Agents in Reloaded: Jackson, Johnson, Thompson

Do you notice anything? They've all gained a syllable!! That was pointed out to me, by, errr...Burly I think....(sorry if I'm wrong!!!!)

Originally posted by -=Urot=-
I know that.

Heres an example of what i'm talking about.

Say your name is Mike Jackson. You are age 39. At age 40 you decide to have a son, and you name him Mike Jackson. Because of the systems way to identify each program your son will have the title of Jr added to him name as a way to tell the two Mike Jacksons apart.

Now your son is a totaly diff person from yourself. He's younger, stronger, and lets just say he has a better memory than you.

Shorty after your son was born you were killed. Since the system has listed you as dead, they take the title of Jr away from your son. Now hes just know as Mike Jackson.

Once your son reaches the age of 40 the cycle startes all over again.

After having done that several times you would have a long line of porgrans that have had the name Mike Jackson. All are diff and better than the last, but are still listed as Mike Jackson.

Now lest apply this to Agent Smith and his line.

What if the Machines did the same thing by naming each agent in a class unique to their own designation.

The system would have many listings of agents all having an identifing class as agent Smith, Agent Jones, or Agent Brown.

The number designation would be dropped due to the old program being deleted, and the new one taking his place.

The Jr or number designation would only be for historic records within the Matrix database.

I know i'm rambling, but I hop you understand what I;m trying to say.

I got the original script, and the lines were supposed to be:

SMITH: The great Morpheus. We meet at last.
MORPHEUS: And you are?
SMITH: Smith. I am Agent Smith.
MORPHEUS: You all look the same to me.

The part with "a Smith" wasn't originally supposed to be in there, so Hugo may have just messed up on the line.

re: original question

-=Urot=- >I'm watching M1 right now. And i see that the LOOP train is the same one we will see in REV.

was it the same train? did it have loop written on the front- any screen shots?

itd be cool if it was but unless it says LOOP on it its not the same

Its not the same train 🙁