Who Thinks Revolutions Was Useless !!!

What is it with you and bitching about opinions in all your (BadgerBadger's) posts. (At least the ones i've seen)

Just like people have the right to express their opinions, people have a right to question them.

If people can not backup their opinions it is obvious they are just bitching about it.

If they have questions that backup their opinions but those questions can be answered and prooven to be correct, then whats the problem??

Nobody said anyone couldn't have an opinion, they simply questioned their opnion.

Quit bitching.

I have left several comments on the film about what I did not like about the film. In addition look again at the title of this thread, it is about US that did not like the film.

I have asked also previously on what people that liked the movie liked so much about it. I have only got one real decent response to that question.

I agree about opinions and all but flamming all is just boring.

Finally, what I am saying is if you disliked the film state why and if you liked the film state why. This is not about being smart or dumb it is about trying to see your side of things as well others.

Trading insults just clouds the issue. We are all here because we loved at least one of the matrix's movies. PAX

BadgerBadger

And who's conforming to the masses? It certainly seems that these movies didn't. You're completely free to have your own opinions, but, atleast, my arguments (and a few others I'm sure) were to point things out and to keep those who want to discourage those who had NOT seen the movie from seeing it, thus not allowing them to form their own opinion. Maybe those of us who liked it had influences that allowed us to inturpret some of the symbolism better than others, but I have never said "I think it's this because of..." in such the loose sense that you described, and anything I've not been one hundred percent sure of I've still supported with many facts.

Unfortunately there will not be a Matrix: Explained out, as you so put. And, due to the public scrutiny of the last film with people wanting a more molded cookie cutter version of the movies, there were scenes deleted from the third movie, so maybe you should be asking yourself if your arguments are really the one's being oppressed, or the ones doing the oppressing?

That's fine though. I'm not worried about your opinion because the only one that matters to me is mine. ✅ So don't expect me to get into a pissing contest because I just don't have that time to waste..

Originally posted by icansee
I have left several comments on the film about what I did not like about the film. In addition look again at the title of this thread, it is about US that did not like the film.

I have asked also previously on what people that liked the movie liked so much about it. I have only got one real decent response to that question.

I agree about opinions and all but flamming all is just boring.

Finally, what I am saying is if you disliked the film state why and if you liked the film state why. This is not about being smart or dumb it is about trying to see your side of things as well others.

Trading insults just clouds the issue. We are all here because we loved at least one of the matrix's movies. PAX

Actually I replied to your post in a PM because I was quite behind reading the posts and didn't want to stray off topic if things had already changed. So I know there are atleast two replies to your post...

Thanks , I did read it yesterday but I could not reply due to time.

Just making sure. You said only one person replied in your last post so I wasn't sure..

Sorry my mistake. What do you think of the alternative ending?

I think, had they taken an aproach that did not follow along as closely with the philosophies that they did, that it would have been a very interesting ending. The problem with that is, in doing that you cut out a lot of the philosophical points that are related to things like the Tao, and the book Simulacra and Simulation, as well as other hidden symbolisms that are supposed to make us reflect more on ourselves. That kind of ending would have made the movie take on more of a sci-fi horror theme if you know what I mean?

The entire Trilogy was good.I dont see what you guys are whining about.We didnt pay for a friggin Chick flick where the story actually matters!We payed for an action/sci-fi movie.And we got one.Reloaded was my favorite, and I do agree that revolutions could have been better.But not because of the ending, simply because I wanted to see more fighting in the Matrix, not inside robots.But thats fine because the robots were cool....THEY JUST LASTED A BIT LONGER THAN I EXPECTED!!!!After the robot fighting scene, it made me hope I wouldnt see another setinal again...but the last fight made up for it...it was awesome...until everyone got baffled on how Smith died or if Neo is still alive....ect....but Revolutions was good....and so wasnt every other one...

This will be my first post here and I only read the first 7 pages, it got boring after all the bickering so I just skipped a few, so forgive me if I talk about something already brought up. I also saw the movie late so I couldn't join the convo.

Anyway I was, at first, upset with the movie, but that's because I was waiting to see this ultimate battle between man and machine and Neo and Smith. I don't know why I thought I would see a huge battle when it was made clear in the 2nd Reniasance that this wasn't a hate thing. There is no clear "bad" guys, there is just two things that want to survive and that's what I had to get over. Smith was the threat to get over and even though the final battle didn't seem like anything from the matrix the threat was nutrualized and so the business had to be done to figure out how the two could co-exist. After realizing this I loved the movie. I loved how real and surreal the movie ended. It ended just like it would if there was a real war between two things that only wanted to be allowed the right to live.

As far as character development and plot holes go I really don't care. I got what I wanted from the movies, games, comics, and animes and have enjoyed the conversations, the ride, and the honor the Bro. have given to me by letting me into their thoughts. Very rarely do you get the chance to take what you like and what you've learned and be able to put it into one thing like the bros. have. I've just enjoyed every minute of it and I don't think this ends with the Trilogy.

i forgot that... everyone has the right to say whatever they want and that's why there's something called freedom
well... i was wrong, but stil...... don't blame the w.bros (if any of u did...), they did their best with matrix =)

Hi,
sorry to say that, but after seeing revolutions I felt like cheated.

Why, because it gives no definite answer. It's like you are waiting StarWars Ep III just to see how Anakkin became Vader and that the film does not give you the answer.

For example : In M3, when Zion realizes that the machines won't destroy it, Morpheus says 'I've dreamt of that day all my life'

That's false. The purpose of Morpheus was to find the One to help human beings because they were slaves, to help them to find freedom.
His goal was'nt to 'Only' stop the war.
After all the things that happened, Morpheus can't find satisfaction just in that temporary peace.

The ending of M3 should have been : Human kind completely freed by Neo or Neo becoming 'King of the Machines' or Kid's Mind replacing the Architect to protect the humans Or whatever, but not this ending tht's let suppose that M4 will be soon in theatre.

If you look carefully, When the machines take Neo's Body away after he won Smith in the Matrix, you can see this scene with the eye of Neo (the world is shown in gold ==> like Neo seeing the world even if his eye were burnt)

So Neo is'nt dead, the machines still growing human kind.
The architect says 'We'll free humans who 'll want to ', this ending isn't an ending

Anyway, i'm sad and disapointed. This film should have been the trilogy of the century, and at the end, the 'I won't telle you all the things' phenomenon of the W's Bros leads this film to a simple commercial product.

Too sad ...

I'll be the one of those people to say

"you missed the point"

What do mean morpheus didn't find satifaction, it brought tears to hes eyes, hes words were "i've imagined this day for so long, is this real??"

He is so shocked that the day he dreamed of is actually upon him.

Morpheus's prophecy was fulfilled, they did free the humans, but they can't just unplug them all at once, it would kill them, they have to want to be free, so now morpheus and alike can go into the matrix and free minds without the hassle of agents and such.

How is an open ending a commercial product??

You being dissapointed in the movie cause it leaves things open to interpretation an a bit of thought shows its the exact opposite, a commercial product delivers everything on a silver platter, ofcourse this film didn't do that.

This movie is complete. Neo done what he had to do, thats where the films were headed, thats what happened.

I'm really tired, hopefully all this came out sounding right.

Mordecai> I agree

bogmac> "I felt like cheated...because it gives no definite answer."

yes the ending (and much of the trilogy) does not give you a definite answer. you could see this as being cheated or you could interpret the multiple aspects of the film in your own way. most of the discussions on this forum are about different peoples point of view about aspects of the matrix films. i feel this is the films strengths as it allows the auidnece to draw there own conclusions instead if being told "this is this. that is that".

bogmac>"In M3, when Zion realizes that the machines won't destroy it, Morpheus says 'I've dreamt of that day all my life'. That's false."

Morpheus has dreamed of the day when the prophecy that he belived would become true - this has now happened.

bogmac>"So Neo is'nt dead"
this is your interpretation (personally i think he is)

bogmac>" this ending isn't an ending"
maybe not the ending you wanted.

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Look, by all means have an opinion people - but DON'T pretend that it's the only one! Sorry to say this but "GASP, WHEEZE, SPLUTTER!!!" a LOT of people didn't like Revo. Deal with it.

Case in point - saying "This movie IS complete" when someone else said it wasn't. Who's to say is right?

Noola you have a point... I suppose the answer is relative to the person. I may think it is complete, and so to me it IS. To you it may not be. In fact ... lol... to a lot of people it is Not complete. Honestly, I can completely understand where they're coming from. It's easy enough to see ... oh lol, I just now saw that your avatar thingy says the Governator... That's awesome... well anyway, back to what I was saying... it's easy for me to see why someone would not like Revolutions. There is so much left for us to answer or figure out for ourselves, that it looks like they overlooked it all, or threw the movie together... either way it makes one feel cheated. Who's for me to say you Shouldn't feel that way, and because I liked the movie it Must be good. It is good to me, but not everyone will feel that way. *sigh* Well, like I said, good point. I suppose we all just need to be willing to agree to disagree, and be able to discuss our different views without accusing the other side of being Wrong.

In my point of view Revolutions is a great movie but it is not a piece of art as the first Matrix..Anyway, the truth is: we can not expect all the answers from the Super Wacho Bros we have to think for ourselves...This is why the end is so "open"...I respect all opinions about RVL but I cannot agree the movie is not good for not showing us all the answers we wanted.

Well i never said it answered all the questions.

But the movie ends, the problem is that the people that are dissapointed had very high expectations of the ending, the ending didn't meet my expectations, but the movie ENDED, i'm not going to say COMPLETE because there are questions left floating around.

Neo destroys Smith. Unites man with machine. And he dies. What is so unclear about the ending ? The only holes are the little things which don't really matter, the main idea has resolved, the trilogy is ended.

The view of neo after he's dead is for symbology, not meaning he's alive, it's very clear by the directors. Meaning he is dead, but if you could see the energy this is what you would see, because neo absorbed all of smiths energy, that's what his gift is all about. It's why he passed out the first time, and why in the end when he was crucified and all the energy of smith flowed into him after destroying him it killed him. And why they showed the view of the energy after he was dead, in a big lotus form showing you all of the energy within him.

There is no plotholes, just little unanswered questions that only obsessed sci fi geeks would ask. And i'm not targeting anyone here but honestly that's the truth. It's not about the little retarted questions it's about the bigger picture.