Originally posted by The Omega
What turns a woman on? Romance, involvement, communication, intimacy, non-sexual touch. What turns a man on? Pornography, naked women, variations in sex, lingerie, availability.
Studies show that, so that’s just the way things ARE. What turns men on are currently viewed as dirty, disgusting, rude or perverted – especially by women.
This sort of blanket empirical statement does no-body any good. In general some of the things you say MAY be true in some cases it's completely and utterly wrong to say "Studies show that, so that’s just the way things ARE." as if you've just come up with some sort of equation that explains everything.
I've known people who are the precise and exact opposite of the "facts" you lay out above - does that make me a liar ? Or them somehow perverted?
Mr Zero> I think you’re missing my point. In general discussions you NEED to start out by generalising – “how can we categorise this subject?”, “are there any patterns?” etc. You almost always find exceptions to the rule, but they are – exceptions.
Sociobiology shows what I stated above.
A statement like “men are pigs” is a prime example of what I wrote in my previous post, and my point was to show that that statement is wrong – and why.
And exceptions to general rules don’t make anyone a liar. What ARE you talking about?
Originally posted by The Omega
Mr Zero> I think you’re missing my point. In general discussions you NEED to start out by generalising – “how can we categorise this subject?”, “are there any patterns?” etc. You almost always find exceptions to the rule, but they are – exceptions.
Sociobiology shows what I stated above.
A statement like “men are pigs” is a prime example of what I wrote in my previous post, and my point was to show that that statement is wrong – and why.
And exceptions to general rules don’t make anyone a liar. What ARE you talking about?
See I dont find any distinction between your generalisation and the "men are pigs" - they both state facts about the way people are as if those things are rigid boundaries. I disagree entirely with your notion that you need to start any discussion by generalising, and certainly if you begin by stating your generalisations are "the way things are" then it's not only wrong its dangerous.
We can agree to disagree on that tho, rather than hijack the thread.
Re: Love
Originally posted by Phoenix
What is love? Is it just a word? A thought, an abstract feeling? Does love mean different things to different people? Do you love people in different ways? Can love be defined?What does LOVE mean to you?
love is a very complex emotion, its definition varies person to person. there is a difference between loving someone, and being in love with someone, this probably has alot to do with ones definition of love.
I think love is something that enhances you as a person but deserving it is neither here nor there really.
Things that turn people on are very complexed. It's not as simple as naming things. I know women who are turned on by pornography and men who aren't. I think that it's a multitude of things really. If it's a one night stand a guy is looking for then he isn't gonna go for the women who is loving and caring most likely. He'll go for the sexiest or most physically appealing female he can find. If a guy wants to settle down then physicalities wont do it alone.
Love for someone and being in love is neither totally emotional or physical, it's a mixture of all the things. Relationship with all sex and no intimacy is not good. Vice versa. A mixture of the two is the more successful and it's a fact that this is a desire, most commonly in men and women.
-AC
to be honest i've read all your posts, but let me tell u a story.
i grew up not believing in love, connecting with someone, there being one person perfect for everyone, i honestly thought it was bullshit, until a few years ago.
i met someone who changed my perspective on everything, and im a stubborn mother****** who doesnt change for anyone, but she made me want to change. when we were together, when we touched it was electricity, like it all felt right, that it was perfect. its the most amazing feeling in the world, buts its so scary to need someone so much, its something i was never prepared for. its more than biochemistry, its almost.. spiritual.
Unfortunately due to circumstances beyond my control we are now in a long distance relationship, and weve been apart longer than we were together, and it is the worst feeling ive ever felt, and i have been through mountains of shit in my life, but i wouldnt trade it for anything. Me, im not a particularly emotional guy, im as masculine as the next guy, so this was a big shock to me.
Anyone who doesnt believe it should live in my shoes for a day and then see if they still believe in it.
Mr. Zero> Ah, but ”Men are pigs” is simply a sentence tossed out – nothing to back it up. I toss in my post which happens to be backed up by scientific studies.
The first sentence is an attack. My generalisation attempts to explain – which has to be done in a broad sense.
I trust science enough to accept what socio-biological studies say is true. Who am I to claim to know better.
And how will you EVER define “Love” as is the title of this thread if not by trying to generalise the concept – reach a common agreement and reference frame?
Originally posted by The Omega
“Falling in love” is – from a scientific perspective – nothing more than a hormone-cocktail in your brain that gets you a little “high” (or irrational or…).
This cocktail basically has one purpose – procreate the species.
And how un-poetic is THAT? (But it helps to know this sometimes 🙂).Men are NOT pigs. They’re simply turned on by other things than what turns a woman on. The two genders are different, due to the hormones that MAKE us different (Q: When is a woman most like a man? A: During PMS, when he oestrogen level is the lowest!).
What turns a woman on? Romance, involvement, communication, intimacy, non-sexual touch. What turns a man on? Pornography, naked women, variations in sex, lingerie, availability.
Studies show that, so that’s just the way things ARE. What turns men on are currently viewed as dirty, disgusting, rude or perverted – especially by women.
Currently the woman’s view rule supreme in books and Hollywood movies. But a male friend of mine once said “Everything men do, they do for women.” 🙂
Mr. Zero, I need not explain, it's been done for me.
Also, not that I said masculine and feminine. These two types of love can be applied to either men or women. I know lots of women who just want to sleep with a guy, not have his kids and spend the rest of their lives with him. By the same token, I know guys who still haven't had sex with a girl because they're waiting for that "special someone". So these are examples(in reference to my original point) of a woman feeling what I call a "masculine" love and of a man feeling a "feminine" type of love. I was not saying that MEN ARE PIGS, I was saying I was using that example in my explaination.