Ascertain the fate of The One

omega>"After doing some INTENSIVE study on the subject I conclude the following: Neo’s “died” three times now. At the end of M1, of Reloaded and at the end of Revolutions."

he dies in M1 but i dont think he dies at the end of M2 - he is just in a coma. then he dies At the end of M3 (self-sacrifice; he lets smith stick his hand in him knowing it will destroy them both)

however is he completely dead or is this correct
omega>"(neo) would remain on the magical island until he would once again be needed"
- is this why in the oracle/sati conversation it is said they "might someday see him again"?

i think neo is essentially DEAD!
but may have been taken to a different place/higher plane by the machines which would explain the references to Buddhism/Arthur legend etc.

addition: When Neo dies(?), the machine mouth says "It is done." Those are Jesus' last words. English translation, anyway. so perhaps he is dead? (since he represents jesus)

Mook> It’s a gross over-simplification to ONLY look for Christian references. The Deus ex Machina says “it is done”, not Neo. So that does in NO way prove whether Neo is dead or not.
Neo bears resemblances to the Greek prometheus, to Buddha (or other enlightened individuals), to Mohammed the Prophet, king Arthur and just about every “cult-hero” you can think of from myths and legends.
Neo was supposed to die when he stopped the sentinels. He just wasn’t READY for it yet.
The reference to Jesus dying and his resurrection you already have in M1. Neo is, according to Morpheus and co. the “second coming” of the One, and his death and resurrection at the end of M1 is right there.
Neo’s “death” at the end of revolutions is far more cryptic. First of all, he could not bring peace, without Trinity dying. That is giving up the chains of mortal life, what keeps us in the wheel of reincarnation according to Hindi/Buddhist myths.

Neo is not on any magical island. Wrong reference. Arthur was sailed off to a magical island for healing, and would stay at Avalon until he was once again needed. After his death, civil war breaks out in Britain. So saying Neo represents Jesus is a terrible over-simplification.
Neo’s death is more akin to the Death of Arthur and reaching an transcended state of being, which is Buddhist.

Omega>The reference to Jesus dying and his resurrection you already have in M1. Neo is, according to Morpheus and co. the “second coming” of the One, and his death and resurrection at the end of M1 is right there.Neo’s “death” at the end of revolutions is far more cryptic. First of all, he could not bring peace, without Trinity dying. That is giving up the chains of mortal life, what keeps us in the wheel of reincarnation according to Hindi/Buddhist myths.

In M1 Keanu is a man - 'thomas a anderson'. at the end he realises he is the one.
In M2 he is the one but still human: "he is..only human"; "hes just a man".
At the end of M2 he uses his 'one powers' outside of the matrix- so he is now more than a man outside 'the matrix'
In M3 there is a plaque on the Oracles bench saying 'in memory of Thomas.a.Anderson'. this means that the 'man' side of neo is dead.

however is the 'one side' of him or some 'other part' of him still alive?
Perhaps:
Oracle says 'we might see him again'
there is the reference to Arthur legend- taken away to be healed
Buddhism reference - transcending to a higher plane.

Omega> It’s a gross over-simplification to ONLY look for Christian references.
i absolutely agree, thats why i read the stuff about myths,Buddhism etc

Omega> The Deus ex Machina says “it is done”, not Neo. So that does in NO way prove whether Neo is dead or not.
agreed but it does suggest so.

OMega>Neo is not on any magical island. Wrong reference.

i dont think Neo is actually on an island i was referencing what you said-"Arthur was sailed off to a magical island for healing, and would stay at Avalon until he was once again needed. Neo’s death is more akin to the Death of Arthur and reaching an transcended state of being, which is Buddhist."

The thing about him being needed might be why Oracle says 'we might see him again'.

mook>In M2 he is the one but still human: "he is..only human"; "hes just a man".

Addition:Merovingioan: "You see, he's just a man" (when Neo is bleeding) is a free translation of the words "ecce homo" which refer to Jesus and the proof that he is a mere man, because of his suffering.

Mook> Neo is a man throughout ALL three movies. And in Animatrix we see Michael Potter’s (The Kid) funeral, so it’s obviously NOT uncommon that a freed rebel is considered “dead” to the Matrix.

Whether Neo is truly dead or not is without doubt debatable. The “It is Done” reference, and the bench may all seem to indicate that he is. However, since funerals (and thereby monuments) for freed minds are being carried out, the bench may’ve been in the Matrix since M1, when Neo was freed by Morpheus and co. If it’s made by the machines however, it would indicate that the MAN Thomas is no more. However, it may go further, and indicate that the machine-AI’s accept that Neo’s more free than any other human. That he is NOT “only human”, but has, indeed transcended, and become ONE (yes, pun intended) with the anomaly.

“Addition:Merovingioan: "You see, he's just a man" (when Neo is bleeding) is a free translation of the words "ecce homo" which refer to Jesus and the proof that he is a mere man, because of his suffering.”

Well, only Christian biblical scholars would know this, and the Christian Jesus is in according to the legends considered to be FAR more than a “mere human”. Neo is NOT bleeding in the battle with the Merovingians henchmen because he’s a “mere human”. But because there are still limits to how much he “disbelieves” the matrix.

An interesting question would undoubtedly be: Since there is a chance Neo is not dead (evidenced by him glowing when he’s being sailed away, and the Oracle’s words), then he could return to the Matrix when he’s “needed” again. But if he’s still The One, would the equation not try to balance itself out again, thereby creating his nemesis again?

The Omega>the bench may’ve been in the Matrix since M1, when Neo was freed by Morpheus and co.

from what we know about thomas.anderson in M1 he doesnt seem to have any friends (night after night at his computer) and family is unknown (he doesnt mention them after being freed-youd think he would if he had any) so who would put the plaque there?

The Omega>If it’s made by the machines however, it would indicate that the MAN Thomas is no more.

i would agree with that.

The Omega>An interesting question would undoubtedly be: Since there is a chance Neo is not dead (evidenced by him glowing when he’s being sailed away, and the Oracle’s words), then he could return to the Matrix when he’s “needed” again. But if he’s still The One, would the equation not try to balance itself out again, thereby creating his nemesis again?

i think some part of Neo is not dead or in some other place/state.
when would he be needed again - if the machines did not stick to the agreement and the peace/truce ended?

Mook> That we do not see his parents (the are in the file Agent Smith flips through), do not mean they’re not there. However, I do think the Machines placed the bench there, as we’ve not met ANYONE who would conceivably place it in the park.
But consider this: To the Machines Neo was Thomas A. Anderson (what Smith makes a point of reminding us of trough the movies). The bench MAY be taken as proof, that the Machines have accepted that he is FREE. Those who wants out will, NOW, be freed, as the Architect tells us.

The Machines will stick to their side of the deal made with Neo. We know that The Matrix Online deals with civil war between the HUMANS. The fraction that wants to destroy the Matrix, and the fraction that wants to keep the peace. If we stick to Arthur legend, then Britain equals the Matrix, that is the Kingdom Neo would be protecting, I think.

The Omega
ok that makes sense...
so where is neo being taken to at the end of M3?

Mook> If we think Neo truly died, the machines might take him to recycling.
If he’s not dead, they’d take him to a place of healing (the Matrix Equivalent of Avalon), where he’d stay until he’s once again needed.
Now: here I see “Ghost in a Shell”, one of my favourite Anime, inspiration. If Neo has merged completely with the anomaly (it, after all being the sum of disbelief, the collective subconscious fight against the Matrix) we have the first true merger of man and program (not man and machine).
If the Matrix is his kingdom, what would he protect now? Instead of trying to break the Matrix he might try to protect it.

Hence he may become an agent.

Hence he may become an agent.

The whole protection thing you just mentioned reminds me of an agent.

*shrugs*........highly unlikely.

EDIT: Sorry about above post, i have no idea what went wrong there, but i added some stuff to my post, meh!.

Omega> Thanks for clearing that up for me ( even though I think it would be cooler if he was just that good.)

Mordecai> Neo would not re-enter the Matrix with the same program-purpose as an agent. His would be a task that is both to protect humans AND machines (the One and the -1 in a way).

Omega> YES!! EXACTLY!!!! ✅ This has been what i have been saying, in more or less words, since the movie came out...

Basically, the Yin & Yang of the Matrix 🙂

Just a lil thing i spotted out as im watching it now....

When The Machine Fires the Anti Virus stuff into Neos body, You can see a simbol of a Jesus Cross as it first goes in!!! Then it goes everywhere

ShOota> And... ? Surely you understand EVERYONE else ALSO saw that? So your point is?

ok, no need to get all up tight,lol

And that machine that carryed him away was the one on the animatrix...........

Originally posted by ShOota
ok, no need to get all up tight,lol

And that machine that carryed him away was the one on the animatrix...........

i havent seen the animatrix for a while - what doer sthe machine do in it?

There are lots of machines in The Animatrix. Which one? 🙂