Ascertain the fate of The One

Started by jetzhere10110 pages

but as it is said that the "body cant live without the mind" but "the mind can live without the body"

"your body is a relic, a mere vessel"

No one says in the movies that "the mind can live without the body."

What is explicitly said is "The body cannot live without the mind."

He has converted into another form of energy....passed on further from our world as humans.

Verity> I doubt it, very much. That’s way too “religiously” 😉
Ever seen Ghost in a Shell?

i agree that no one says that the mind cant live without the body but it was shown that neo cud plug in the matrix without his physical self so we can consider the abv. statement...........

Yeah Omega...maybe....but hasn't it been stated that some of the bkground of this story is religious?
Anyway....maybe it's just my wishful thinking! :/

i havent seen revolutions for a while- has somebody the ability/time to post pictures from the final scene?

what neo looks like
the 'fire vision' shot
etc

as this could help clarify exactly what happens at the end.

Verity> Yes, there are indeed religious ASPECTS in the Matrix movies. But the theme as such is far from being religious. Or rather – it questions religion. Neo is the One – because the prophecy SAYS so. No, Neo can be proven to be the One, he has extraordinary powers.
But – it is JUST another system of control. Just as religion is “a” means of control.
“The One was never MEANT to end anything,” as Neo says in Reloaded.
Fate and prophecies restrict our free will.
Neo doesn’t end the war BECAUSE he’s The One. He does so, because he – Neo - chooses to do so.

Then there’s the theme of “reincarnation” from Hindi and Buddhist myths. But it is not Neo who’s been reborn over and over and over. It’s the anomaly which has been given a new shell – like a peculiar kind of virtual “soul”, that’s tried and tried six times now.
But to break the cycle of reincarnation you need to free yourself of the chains of what it means to be human. In Reloaded, however, it is one of those chains – love – that makes it possible for Neo (and the anomaly) to progress further than any other One has done before.

So to me – at least – following religious THEMES to interpret the end of Revolutions will just lead me astray. Is Neo a Messiah? With a soul (anomaly) created by God (The Arhitect), who goes to paradise (the first Matrix), when the shell (Neo) dies? Uh, I hope not?
Is Neo a boddhisatva (an enlightened individual) whose soul (the anomaly) has seen past the illusion of reality (The Matrix) and now transcends that? Doesn’t really fit either, does it?
Most religions see the “flesh” as “evil” or inherently “evil”, while the soul is pure. But frankly, I’d rather see the anomaly go somewhere, and Neo (the flesh) live. 🙂
And I think he did survive.

omega> Religious or Biblious?

Osiris> In what context? I can't possibly guess what you mean here, can I?

Biblious is a subset of religious, so...

Osiris> As always...u have the answers and I stand corrected! What can I say after that? 😉

omega>But frankly, I’d rather see the anomaly go somewhere, and Neo (the flesh) live.

i still think the flesh/human/body part of neo is dead.

I think so too....
Whatever u wanna call it spirit, code, any term u want....the flesh itself is gone, and if I'd have to call it something, can I call it essence? That would be the only thing to me hangin' around of Neo. The machines have kept his flesh to do whatever they want with it....That was his compromise. That after he was done, the machines could have him.

And the next step of evolution? For man and machine?
If Neo and the anomaly become One, they belong to BOTH worlds. 😉

Neo is Dead

Neo is dead because he is the one and the ones path ends when he stops the war and defeats smith

Nemiziz> So? There are many endings that doesn't mean people die, you know? The end of a movie doesn't mean EVERYONE and everything dies - would be bad for the movie-industry!

i posted this somewhere in this forum but i'll post it again, what the heck...

at the end of revolutions, sati asked the oracle if they would see neo again... she said eventually or someday or something to that effect... which has led me to the conclusion that the peace between man and machine would indeed end... hence they (the machines) would need to reinsert the code/ program of the anomaly sooner or later... what happened with neo's body (or mind, brain) was that the machines used it as a disk... a mere vessel, a relic where the can keep the code and reinsert it when the need arises...

so neo's body could indeed be "dead", but the code he carries remains intact within his mind/ brain...

Originally posted by The Omega
And the next step of evolution? For man and machine?
If Neo and the anomaly become One, they belong to BOTH worlds. 😉

That's what we are today....almost!

(Looks at Verity)
.... So... you're part... machine-code? (peeeeeers)
🙂