Ascertain the fate of The One

Started by Thomas Anderson10 pages

Don't know if someone's said this already (I know, I'm too lazy to read all 3 pages of it - but if I wait, I'll have forgotten what I'm about to say).

The end when the machines were moving Neo, it looked to me that he was like Jesus on his cross - and then The Oracle and Sati say they expect to see him again - like Christians believe Christ will come along one day again. The comparisons between Neo + Jesus were all over the trilogy, so that's what I think.

TA> Neo's actually more akin to a buddhist boddhisatva (an enlightened individual) than to the Christian Jesus.
But, yes, "this" has been covered - more than once.

im new here, so, um yah.

this is what i think happened. In the first movie when neo jumped into smith, he new he was the one. And Morpheus said The One had the power to change the Matrix. So I think when Neo Jumped into smith he was deleting smith. But Smith was not deleted so he became a virus. Then the virus spread and when Smith Infected Neo at the end, the Machines could directly delete smith. Then the matrix was remade So Neo held up his end of the bargain and defeated smith so Zion was saved.

i have a question. Are there Post Counts at this forum?

Omega has raised some very good points.

I don't know if you noticed that when Neo was trapped in Mobil Avenue he wasn't wearing his usual Vatican priest garments but was dressed identically to what Mero was wearing in Reloaded.

As to what happen to Neo at the end of Revolutions well my guess is that it has something to do with what Smith kept saying to Neo at the end of Reloaded, " You haven't figured it out yet, still using all the muscles except the one that matters, I want what you want i want everything."

When Neo reached Machine City, he told the head machine (or Godhead) that the program Smith had become too powerful and would overrun the city just like he had done in the Matrix.

Now if you compare the end scene with the crucification, it is Christ just before he dies on the cross who says "It is finished", in Revolutions it is the head machine, i therefore think that Neo not only is in every person connected to the matrix but is also in the head machine and it was he who said "it is done" just like the Oracle said "everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo" through Smith. Remember that Smith always called Neo, "Mr Anderson".

Originally posted by The Omega
Verity> I doubt it, very much. That’s way too “religiously” 😉
Ever seen Ghost in a Shell?

Ever seen Akira?

I had a feeling this thread would come back.

Well, it is a major one. A lot of big threads started here.

The Train man's train at the beginning of Revolutions has on the front of it LOOP. At the end of Revolutions are we supposed to LOOP back to the beginning of the film in order to ascertain the fate of the One.

The train that hits Smith to end the subway scene in M1 had was the same one, wasn't it? Shouldn't we loop back there?
Wasn't the cycle ended at the end of Revos? After all, there shouldn't be any more use for the One.

No more loop, no more keymaker, no more one. It's over. The Matrix will NOT reload so there can be no more One...He served his purpose.

Originally posted by JediHDM
what you have said can actually go either way, that he is or is not still alive, however, there is proof that he IS alive...

1 Neo's body is glowing. only things that are alive and using code glow, such as Deus ex machina.
2 the "funeral barge" looks like a lotus blossom with Neo as its center.
3 The oracle says we will probably see Neo later

1) Only things that are connected to the source glow. (Not necessary they are alive.)
2) Because they wanted to show that he ascended from humanity.
3) She also told she didnt know always.

The Alpha DOES have a point.
The momet the oracle made a choice SHE could not understand (allowing I suppose Smith to infect her) she lost her ability to see all. "No one can look past the choices they don't understand."
She said NO ONE.
So perhaps she's merely guessing that "they'll" see Neo again?

The question I guess is this: When Smith takes over Neo's body does this not kill/delete Neo? Or did the super-machine store the data somewhere else while the virus-killing process was running?
Everything is possible. One thing is for sure. Neo - dead or alive - is hevaily connected to the Source..
Hmm...
Let me think... 😄

We never saw Neo's body glow after he died. We saw the funeral barge glow but not Neo.

However what the Oracle said about seeing Neo again, well I'll admit that i was not sure if she meant Neo or the One. Since it is still a matrix of choice then the emergence of the One is unavoidable.

So assuming that she meant Neo then i would be inclined to believe that she knew what she was talking about.

Personally and I know that you won't agree with this except perhaps Korri, that Neo is back in Mobil Ave as we speak running run the tracks saying to himself "SH*T", (coughs) I mean "O.K. Neo you got yourself in here, you can get yourself out."

the emergence of the One is unavoidable

No, doubt brings the one. People who doubt the matrix will be freed thus, no more one.

Yes, Neo does glow. If he weren't glowing, then you would see a big empty, unglowing spot on the barge where Neo is at, just like when Neo is walking through the corridor, and he leaves an empty space because he is not transmitting machine code.

Originally posted by JediHDM
Yes, Neo does glow. If he weren't glowing, then you would see a big empty, unglowing spot on the barge where Neo is at, just like when Neo is walking through the corridor, and he leaves an empty space because he is not transmitting machine code.

It's a big barge and we are quite far away from it at the end of the film.

But Xeous I must seriously disagree with you.

The humans only accepted the program if they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice on a near sub-conscious level. Although it functioned it was however fundamentally flawed giving rise to the otherwise contradictory.. systemic anomaly.

There is zero reason to believe Neo’s RSI is now stuck in Mobil Avenue once again. It happened at the end of Reloaded because Neo, being outside in the real world, suddenly discovered the wireless link to the Source, used it and managed to upload himself to the system without being plugged in.
At the end of Revolutions Neo is very much indeed wired to the system. The mainframe itself has him plugged in, so Neo can’t just go and redirect his RSI when Smith infects him. How should that happen?

And why on Earth should the “funeral-barge” glow as much as Deus ex Machina? Nope, that’s Neos body glowing all-right. I’m thinking something like “Ghost in the Shell.” Perhaps Deus ex Machina has left a trace of itself in Neos body, and Neo (being THE One after all), has merged with the mainframe. Perhaps that was always the point. For machines to understand humans, and humans to understand machinesz the two must merge. Maube Neo’s RSI is the NEW mainframe – it would certainly make it possible for the Matrix-inhabitants to “maybe” see him again some day.
Also – the Matrix is the best place for Neo to find a trace of Trinity’s RSI. Maybe even restore it from old data…

Originally posted by The Omega
Also – the Matrix is the best place for Neo to find a trace of Trinity’s RSI. Maybe even restore it from old data…

LOL

I've been thinking about this a long time and I come to a decision. Neo's not dead. I watched Revolutions and I see at the end when he is on the funeral barge, it glows gold, his body however glows bright white. Now I know that he must return to the source in order for the temporary dissemination of the code he carries to take place, as the Architect says. the matrix was remade so he must have returned to the source.

Currently i believe that he is in the Machine World, where all programs come from, like Rama Kandra (if you remember Mobil Ave is a place between the Matrix and the machine world- the machine world was also teh place Neo travelled to to see the Architect) and he will return to the matrix one day as the Oracle says.

The Machine world is not to mistaken for machine city.