Anakin turning to Vader

No I wasn't having a go at Brith. I was agreeing with Angelus' point which was basically "it's Lucas character" and we don't know that much about Vader. Even Lucas himself said that Vader was really just "the bad guy" up until the end of ROTJ. He is a very vague character.

All the other stuff is just assumptions made by us. And over the years these have been accepted as to what actually happened to Anakin Skywalker. But what do we know about Vader? Nothing really.

He was a good kid turned bad and that's it. We know he was "seduced by the dark side" and that the Emperor was involved but not much else.

To accuse Lucas of re-inventing the character is to say that what the fans assume happened to Anakin is true. But we don't know. Lucas can't re-invent Anakin/Vader and change the story because there is no story or character to re-invent. It hasn't been told yet.

All we know about Vader in the OT is that he is evil and the bad guy. That won't change. He's still going to be torturing Han Solo, helping to destroy Alderaan, cutting off Lukes hand. He's still the bad guy.

But if what you assumed happened to Anakin is different from what happens in the PT then it's not Lucas fault.

It's not necessarily a point of assuming anything. It's more a worry that Anakin's fall, and the circumstances around it, will be made to seem improbable by the way he acts in the Original Trilogy. GL's character or not, that would still be a mistake.

But it's only a fear right now.

As King Jedi rightly said you can't reinvent a character until you have told his story in the first place...
I am willing to use the term "re-invent" in referrence to Han, in ANH SE, as Greedo shooting first did change how Han could be viewed from what was seen originally.
However here, we don't know what will happen in the next two movies and the manner of Anakin's conversion, and as Lucas always said the first three will tell Vader's fall, and the second his redemption.
A character can't be re-invented until you have heard all of his life story....

surely palpatine knew about anakin at the end of tpm with his "We'll watch your career with interest" (near enough) line. no doubt palpatine trains anakin faster than ob1 and so anakin is seduced by the darkside. Simple.

Not at all. Palpatine has not even started to train Anakin by the time of Episode II. That was just a line to the fans, really, who klnew that much later in the story the two would be together.

For some reason I can't imagine that it would take a long time to train a teenage padawan to go bad...

Do you think Palpatine knew that Anakin was the chosen one?

Yes or else he might have targeted some one else or maybe another padawan to corupt

I mean at the end of TPM.

I think that he knew, yeah

I think the dark side must offer something Anakin has been looking for, maybe that he feels deprived of. It sounds horribly mawkish, but I'm thinking maybe a father figure? I'm sure it will be a conscious decision...I'm sure he will be fed lies that lead him to believe that he can get what he wants that way. Anyhow, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens. The wait gets harder and harder!

Hey everyone 🙂

Just reading through this thread but I thought I'd post first. All the Anakin-turning-into-Vadar story...is what interests me the most about the whole of Star Wars. I've always wondered about it. Even since I saw Episodes 4,5 and 6.

Yeah, it's a real mind bender!😕

Well, not long to go before we all find out.🙂

but from what I've heared is that he will turn in EpIII

That Palpatine's a sneaky bastard all right his obvious mentor should be Machivelli wouldn't put it past him

Palpatine could probably teach him.🙂

Yeah...I also heard that the "turning" of Anakin is in Ep 3. Can't wait to see that. It's gonna be so...deep. Me thinks, anyway.