Originally posted by Darth Revan
Lemme ask you something Julibug. Have you ever read the Koran? Didn't think so. These guys are NOT following what the Koran teaches, which is PEACE. This does not go all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael.
That comment was more directed at the Palestinian and Israeli conflict which does have connections to the attacks on the U.S., etc.
The Israelis are descendents of Isaac, and the Palestinians are descendents of Ishmael. They have been at war for thousands of years.
yeah I actually feel bad for the troops. They are fighting under the worst conditions. Did you know that soldiers have less priority than highly classified documents in the military. Meaning if you (a G.I.) and some classified documents were drowning in the middle of the Pacific the papers would get rescued first.
Originally posted by julibug
That comment was more directed at the Palestinian and Israeli conflict which does have connections to the attacks on the U.S., etc.
The Israelis are descendents of Isaac, and the Palestinians are descendents of Ishmael. They have been at war for thousands of years.
You left out the creation of the state of Israel, the annexation of the West Bank. Years of Palistinians being displaced, kicked out of their homelands because they said it was someone else's originally, and we have a book to back it up? WOuld you leave your home if someone kicked you out of your house and gave it to a native american because it was their ancestral home.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
WTF!!!! How can you possibly be in favor of that crap?!!! IT HAS HURT OUR ECONOMY!!!! CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE BIGGEST DEFICIT IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES AND YET YOU SAY THAT IT HAS NOT HURT OUR ECONOMY?!!! ARE YOU ENTIRELY ISOLATED FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD?!! Also, unless you're the rich type that make up a VERY small part of the country, YOU DID NOT BENEFIT VERY MUCH AT ALL FROM THE TAX CUTS!!!! The Bush administration claims that their tax cuts are designed to target "average income" families. Actually, this is true. However, the "average" is not accurate, since when they are figuring out the average, they include everyone. Although there are very few rich people, they earn so much money that when their incomes are included in the "average," they entirely throw it off. So, the average is not accurate. They should be using either the median or the mode. Either one would be more accurate. Anyways, the bottom 60 percent of the country saves around $256. WOOHOOOO!!!! LET'S ALL GO OUT AND BUY NEW TV'S!!!!!! If you make 21,000 a year, you get less than $5. WHAT, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE?!! THAT's RIDICULOUS!!!
I wouldn't say that I am rich. Our entire household income is somewhere between $30 & $40 thousand/year. We received a SUBSTANTIAL tax relief! It made a huge difference for us. Of coures, a substantial part of the "rich-type" who would receive relief are big businesses who, with the tax relief, are able to invest more into the business, opening more jobs, and generate more money moving in the economy. All I know is that it's all over the news that our economy is getting so much better. This Christmas shopping season is supposed to be the best in years for all of the stores. If you're only listening to the liberal anti-Bush commentators, you're gonna hear gloom & doom about our economy. If you pay attention to the real experts, you'll find out the truth.
See article about economy..."Bad News":
"Bad news, that is, for those who have continued to insist, in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary, that President Bush’s tax cuts (search) aren’t working. They’re running out of negative spin.
When the news came last month that economic growth in the third quarter of the year had surged to 7.2 percent, for example, they had a ready retort: It’s a “jobless recovery (search).”
Not any more. According to new figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, employment grew by 126,000 in October and by nearly as much in September. In related good news, unemployment fell slightly, from 6.1 percent in September to 6.0 percent in October.
Two months may not show a trend to some critics, but the revised September numbers -- taken with the October data -- strongly indicate a robust recovery in employment. Moreover, what the jobs report does show is how widespread the employment gains are. For instance, gains for women were among the strongest in a year.
What’s significant about these figures is their signal that the economy is not merely poised for recovery, but in the midst of it. Job growth is usually the last patch in the economic recovery quilt. These patches now all appear to be in place. With few exceptions, economic indicators (search) are up across the board.
Indeed, the stellar growth of last quarter outpaced the expectations of even the most optimistic forecasters. Three sources of growth in particular show why the recovery is structurally sound and why we can expect continued growth.
Business investment. It’s grown significantly in the last six months and at an especially good clip in the last three months, which means that a crucial part of the economy is picking up steam. Businesses don’t invest in equipment unless they plan on producing more -- and in order to do that, they need more people. This is a critical signal that businesses are more confident and that they believe they can increase their activities without undue risk.
Business activity. It’s on the rise for manufacturing as well as the service sectors. The service sectors (where growth has been strong) are especially important because they account for 80 percent of the economy. New orders and production are rising in both sectors.
Business productivity. Productivity grew 8.1 percent in the third quarter, more than twice the normal growth rate. But there is even more good news: Month after month, productivity gains are accompanied by signs of life on the employment side.
While consumer spending has done much to sustain the economy throughout the recovery, business investment, activity and productivity are what cause job growth, and these missing links now appear to be in place.
What about manufacturing jobs? Unfortunately, they continue to languish, falling in October by 24,000 jobs. However, this is nothing new. Manufacturing jobs (search) have been declining for a generation; but our economy has not come to the screeching halt some predicted. Instead, these jobs have been replaced by better-paying ones in the service sector, which includes everything from financial, banking, health and legal services to retail and construction.
This may not offer much comfort for those in manufacturing, but the fact is that our economy has evolved structurally just as it did between 1890 and 1920, when it moved from an agricultural economy to a manufacturing one. Jobs in this new framework are more knowledge-based, offer higher wages and provide more freedom to climb the ladder of economic prosperity.
One question remains: Why are we getting this good news now? Many factors are involved, of course, but critics cannot ignore the fact that the Bush tax cuts are working. They built a foundation for bringing the recovery full swing by providing incentives for businesses to expand and invest. Tax relief has lowered the cost of capital, made existing enterprises more profitable and investment and expansion more attractive.
As the economy continues to grow and expand, we can almost certainly expect to experience even stronger jumps in employment (especially if we make the tax cuts permanent). That may be bad news for those who earn their living by opposing tax cuts and other pro-growth strategies -- but it’s definitely good news for the rest of us."
(found at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102640,00.html)
Originally posted by GABRIEL05
You left out the creation of the state of Israel, the annexation of the West Bank. Years of Palistinians being displaced, kicked out of their homelands because they said it was someone else's originally, and we have a book to back it up? WOuld you leave your home if someone kicked you out of your house and gave it to a native american because it was their ancestral home.
Interesting point. It is horrendous what atrocities were done to the native peoples of this continent. I deeply regret that part of our nation's history. As far as the Palestinian/Israeli situation - I think there should be some way for them all to occupy that area. The main disagreement they have is the one area they both consider to be sacred. I don't have any easy answers for that situation. As to the US giving up homes for Native Americans - well, I really can't see anything like that ever happening. I think it's an interesting point, and I'm not sure how most people would react if it did happen.
Another point on taxes. Apparently taxation does not necessarily help the national debt....
Information on Tax Reform
Ever wonder where your money goes?
Interesting List (please read to bottom):
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon in Taxifornia)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and nonrecurring charges tax
Telephone State and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
COMMENTS: None of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had virtually no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. How many of these have gone up in just the last couple years where you live?
What do you think changed?
And yet, the national debt is soaring.
Originally posted by GABRIEL05
You left out the creation of the state of Israel, the annexation of the West Bank. Years of Palistinians being displaced, kicked out of their homelands because they said it was someone else's originally, and we have a book to back it up? WOuld you leave your home if someone kicked you out of your house and gave it to a native american because it was their ancestral home.
Oh, another point to add - I am part Cherokee and part Choctaw. My mother's side of the family are all Native American. Again, this would create an interesting situation if it ever happened. I guess part of me could stay, and part of me would have to leave. 😛
Originally posted by julibug
Interesting point. It is horrendous what atrocities were done to the native peoples of this continent. I deeply regret that part of our nation's history. As far as the Palestinian/Israeli situation - I think there should be some way for them all to occupy that area. The main disagreement they have is the one area they both consider to be sacred. I don't have any easy answers for that situation. As to the US giving up homes for Native Americans - well, I really can't see anything like that ever happening. I think it's an interesting point, and I'm not sure how most people would react if it did happen.
I'm pretty sure snowflakes would fall in Detroit, pigs would fly and there would be alot of dead bodies stepped over...
Originally posted by GABRIEL05
yeah I actually feel bad for the troops. They are fighting under the worst conditions. Did you know that soldiers have less priority than highly classified documents in the military. Meaning if you (a G.I.) and some classified documents were drowning in the middle of the Pacific the papers would get rescued first.
Paper floats.
Originally posted by GABRIEL05
Oh god I have my work cut out for me.
If there's one thing I hate it's when people try to portray america as the righteous god sanctioned Sword of Gideon. Especially when they make everyone else look like spawn of satan. BUT ESPECIALLY when it's done in the most trite bromidic poetic manner[b]I'd hate to say it man but recall all those japanese and German doctors performed the hideous experiments during the war? Why do you think they were never put on trial? Where do you think they went after the war? Back to their homes in Mannheim, or Iwaki? You think they were given their just due (jail? Death?)
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Joseph Mengele died in Argentina being perused by the famous Nazi hunter Simon Weisenthal. P.S. So, no they didn't go back home. Cause unless he was Argentinian he wasn't home.
Originally posted by MadKowDZsHe was just one of thousands that committed those atrocities in the war. Most others went home and lived out their lives untouched, especally in Japan
Joseph Mengele died in Argentina being perused by the famous Nazi hunter Simon Weisenthal. P.S. So, no they didn't go back home. Cause unless he was Argentinian he wasn't home.
Originally posted by Bhang
He was just one of thousands that committed those atrocities in the war. Most others went home and lived out their lives untouched, especally in Japan
Some came to the US and offered the info from their experiments to the Gov in exchange for immunity. Also after the war they were having Geman officers help train police.
Originally posted by GABRIEL05
Some came to the US and offered the info from their experiments to the Gov in exchange for immunity. Also after the war they were having Geman officers help train police.
All of Mengele's research was destoryed because it was inhumane. But he did try to negotiate with his work. It's important to check your facts before you make untrue statements.