Alpha> That is about the most sober thing I’ve read in weeks.
What I do with MY body is my business and no one elses. And besides, I still claim that much of drug-related crime deals with sky-high prices because of illegality and fight over who has the right to push the damn things where.
Remove THAT factor, please.
However, I disagree on the “stupid and ignorant by nature.” Nature is neither. But some human inventions are both.
Originally posted by mouth
i think that.. only pot should be legalized..pray ganja pray
I agree completely. I think it is obvious that marijuana is relatively safe. In all of recorded history, there has never been one recorded death that has resulted from the use of marijuana.
Francis L. Young, an administrative law judge for the DEA, said it best:
"Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest, therapeutically active substances known to man."link
Of course, it should be legal. I could go into a lengthy discussion of the history of marijuana prohibition here, but Charles Whitebread stated it best before the California Judges Associaton in 1995 during their annual conference. Professor Whitebread is the George T. Pfleger Professor of Law at the University of Southern California Law School. His page at the university may be viewed here, and his personal page may be viewed here.
I encourage everyone to read the text of his speech to the Judges Association on the history of marijuana prohibition in America. It is lengthy, but is a wealth of information that most people have little or no knowledge of. It can be viewed here.
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cornponious
Originally posted by The Omega
Alpha> That is about the most sober thing I’ve read in weeks.
What I do with MY body is my business and no one elses. And besides, I still claim that much of drug-related crime deals with sky-high prices because of illegality and fight over who has the right to push the damn things where.
Remove THAT factor, please.However, I disagree on the “stupid and ignorant by nature.” Nature is neither. But some human inventions are both.
Yes Bill Hicks had a lot of good ideas.
I think it's absurd, just in a logistical sense, to suggest that crime will not fall on legalising all drugs. Consider the prohibition: people still presumably committed alcohol fuelled crimes, but then you had other problems.
What is the point of criminalising something that firstly is hardly discouraged by doing so, and secondly creates a manner of other criminal concerns.
Originally posted by The Omega
Man, that is the DUMBEST thing I've read for weeks!Victor said ignorance is to BLINDLY (as in without question) follow authority.
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i know what he ment, so to sum up everything, why should we asked the government why we can't take drugs, even though they don't help our body at all, but as with the smoking and alcohol, i don't have the slightest idea about the legal/illegalness of them.
Its just amazing how many times The Omega and myself have to repeat the same points over and over and over again while people keep insisting on one thing and one thing only.
Just because hard drugs like cocain and heroin are illegal does not mean that people will not take them? That is such a rediculous thought!
It will be safer if they are illegal?? Thats utter bullshit! Do you know in what state Columbia is because of all the war raging of the greedy people who want to earn money by getting cheap cocain and selling it for thousands?
Like i already said, keeping hard drugs like this illegal is dangerous because it has produced lucrative market for which people are willing to kill each other because of the profits! I thought this was pretty obvious to everyone.
And about their dangeriousness, what do you think alcohol is pretty harmless? because thats bullshit too, lacohol is very dangerous, and is even more so than some hard drugs, yet it is legal.
"why should we asked the government why we can't take drugs, even though they don't help our body at all, but as with the smoking and alcohol, i don't have the slightest idea about the legal/illegalness of them."
Well if you use neither anyway it will make no difference. The point is having the freedom to choose that without having a law on it.
-AC
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Its just amazing how many times The Omega and myself have to repeat the same points over and over and over again while people keep insisting on one thing and one thing only.Just because hard drugs like cocain and heroin are illegal does not mean that people will not take them? That is such a rediculous thought!
It will be safer if they are illegal?? Thats utter bullshit! Do you know in what state Columbia is because of all the war raging of the greedy people who want to earn money by getting cheap cocain and selling it for thousands?
Like i already said, keeping hard drugs like this illegal is dangerous because it has produced lucrative market for which people are willing to kill each other because of the profits! I thought this was pretty obvious to everyone.
And about their dangeriousness, what do you think alcohol is pretty harmless? because thats bullshit too, lacohol is very dangerous, and is even more so than some hard drugs, yet it is legal.
Yes, I agree that whether they are legal or illegal probably will not affect whether people take them. However, you have to ask... Will making them legal actually make a difference in all the other problems they cause? You could argue that the kind of people who have severe drug habits are "low lifes" and probably don't have jobs, as much as i hate using that term. So theoretically, they might still be stealing. Also, even if drugs were legal, would that make them cheaper? Coca plants don't grow anywhere in the world. Even if you could grow them indoors, it's going to be expensive to take care of them.
On the other hand, it might make a big difference.
I don't know, the whole thing is a very complicated issue. What I should have said before is that pot should be legalized for sure... And that I wasn't sure about other things.
Victor> “What is the point of criminalising something that firstly is hardly discouraged by doing so, and secondly creates a manner of other criminal concerns.”
Exactly NONE!
I’ve followed this thread since the beginning, and not only do some people fail to see this. They’re also convinced that everybody and their dog will start pushing drugs if they’re legalised (of course EXCEPT the person him/herself in question).
I see no reason to believe that the number of addicts will rise if drugs were legalised. You can’t make a “bad” thing go away by making it illegal – you’ll only make it dangerous. There’s only one solution: Educate, educate, educate.
The Force> Victor said “Ignorance is to blindly follow authority.”
To which you answered: “so your saying your ignorant if you don't take drugs, get sick, and die?”
With that reply, how on Earth can you claim to know what Victor meant?
Darth> Why should heroin remain illegal? “So theoretically, they might still be stealing.”
If drugs were legal they would be cheaper. Coca-plants may not be able to grow everywhere. That goes for bananas, too. But by making hard drugs legal, you’d undermine the black market for these things. Due to illegality it’s a business with risks and a high profit. Drugs get mixed with other substances, such as glass in cocaine etc. Pure heroine is a lot less dangerous than the street-stuff addicts have to buy.
When something is hard to come by, it gets expensive.
BF> I disagree: If hard drugs were made safe and legal, pushers and drug-gangs would run out of business. They may – as the Mafia that really “blossomed” during Probation try other ventures, but at least the number of drug-related crimes would fall.
About the pot-thing: To the best of my knowledge you can drink a beer or smoke a joint. Neither are addictive, and do the same “harm”. Smoke every day and you’re in trouble. Drink every day and you’re called an alcoholic.
I smoke about twice a year or so with good friends. We laugh ourselves to death, play silly games, eat cake and fall a sleep. A great party 🙂
Lil Bitchiness> Well… We’ve stated the same arguments 100 times. Ready for a round of 100 again? 🙂
Okay, let me sum up my viewpoints on this issue once and for all.
Are hard drugs bad for you? Yep. Too much alcohol, cigarettes, greasy fast-food, too many Valium or sleeping pills, cocaine, morphine, heroin, LSD, ecstasy etc. etc. etc are BAD for us.
Do people use these substances? Yes – and they do so, whether they’re legal or not. Whether you agree or disagree with the legalisation of all drugs this fact is undisputed.
Cigarettes are legal. Do everyone and their dog smoke because of that? No. Alcohol is legal. Does everybody drink their brains out? No.
So the argument that we’d get more drug-addicts from legalising hard drugs doesn’t hold. Which person in their right mind would decide to become a heroine-addict?
Making something illegal has never made that something “go away.” Look at Probation in the US in the 20’s/30’s (the exact dates elude me). And the market and crime that arose from illegal alcohol. Where would the gangsters have been if alcohol had remained legal?
Today illegal drugs have given rise to all kinds of gang-related/drug-related crimes, from addicts stealing and selling themselves in prostitution, to drive-by shootings and neighbourhoods with near terror-regimes. Millions and millions elude the tax-departments, because of the illegality – money that could be used on education on the dangers of drugs and rehabilitation centres.
Recently the Danish State forbade the selling of cigarettes to kids under the age of 16. Do you know how many kids under the age of 16 will start to smoke BECAUSE it’s illegal to sell cigarettes to them?