emma's also a qualified sex therapist... jokes!!
also as stated in the very recent Civil War #3 when Emma was talking to Tony Stark... she says that as Emma is a telepath she has let scott have all access to her mind as well.
that just shows how eachother isn't hiding anything from eachother...
but then again in Astonishing atm, Emma has been hiding something hahah...
Astonishing is i believe set prior to civil war.
Originally posted by botcherby
emma's also a qualified sex therapist... jokes!!also as stated in the very recent Civil War #3 when Emma was talking to Tony Stark... she says that as Emma is a telepath she has let scott have all access to her mind as well.
that just shows how eachother isn't hiding anything from eachother...
but then again in Astonishing atm, Emma has been hiding something hahah...
Astonishing is i believe set prior to civil war.
It'd have to be, or else it'd be afterwards... Whedon being bi-monthly's really f*cking up continuity...
she really said that? I didn't know that...
Originally posted by pr1983
Ok, so i have this theory why scott and jean's marriage broke down (at least on his side), i'd like opinions please...Any mod who feels that i breach PG-13 guidelines is free to edit this post as they see fit...
Alright, Scott and Jean were what, 16 when they fell in love? And i think that, in his case at least, thats the way he loved her from then on. She was up on this pedestal, pure, virginal and all that, and when he was with her he saw her that way. To him she was more than just his wife, she was his heart and soul, so as far as their marriage is concerned (in the physical sense), there was a lot of love making but very little ******* (you know what the word is).
He didnt see her as a sexual object, even though he was attracted to her. Now logan, he saw her as a red blooded woman, devoid of pedestal, and she saw that in him, the willingness in him that scott didnt even know he was repressing.
So then Apoc comes along, and tears Scott's mind to pieces, taking away all these illusions of pedestals and purity (in a sense), leaving him looking at Jean the same way Logan did. But deep down he's telling himself "If i imagine her this way, maybe i don't love her as much as i used to." Which is wrong, he did love her, he just learned to see her as a sexual being.
His fear of rejection (even though its exactly what she wanted from him), caused him to shut down, to pull away, which caused their marriage to stagnate. Then Emma came along, and Scott saw in her the same thing he saw in Jean, a sexual being. So he was drawn to her, the chance of taking out all hsi frustrations becoming too tempting to resist.
Okay thats half of it, the net cafe is closing, i'll finish this asap.... 🙂
Originally posted by pr1983
Anyway, Scott is internalising all this pain, but instead of helping him face it Jean just assumes he'll bury it like he did with all his other problems in the past, and leaves him to it, rather than supporting him while he can deal with these issues. What she doesn't realise is that Emma is exactly the kind of woman who'll help him deal with his problems, and this, imo, is what paves the way for the psychic affair and the eventual collapse of the Summers/Grey marriage...
So let me get this straight:
It's All Apocalypse's fault for playing with Scott's mind and Jean's fault for not being comforting enough when Scott was feeling sorry for himself that he can't keep his **** in his pants? Give me a break.
How about Giving some of the blame to Emma for scamming on a guy who was MARRIED, and to a telepath no less. Yeah. Good luck keeping anything hidden from her. Was it okay for Wolverine to hit on Jean every chance he got? Of course not. That was one of the biggest factors in why Cyclops and Mr. Logan didn't get along. That same rule should apply when the shoe is on the other foot.
Maybe give a good sized chunk of blame should go to Cyclops for not being a man of his word and having no respect for his marriage to Jean. Your logic states that Scott saw Emma and Jean both the same way, yet he chose Emma. More than once. Scott is a cheating dog. Apparently, neither Scott nor Emma have any respect for the phrase " 'Till death do you part."
Originally posted by Sabretooth
So let me get this straight:It's All Apocalypse's fault for playing with Scott's mind and Jean's fault for not being comforting enough when Scott was feeling sorry for himself that he can't keep his **** in his pants? Give me a break.
How about Giving some of the blame to Emma for scamming on a guy who was MARRIED, and to a telepath no less. Yeah. Good luck keeping anything hidden from her. Was it okay for Wolverine to hit on Jean every chance he got? Of course not. That was one of the biggest factors in why Cyclops and Mr. Logan didn't get along. That same rule should apply when the shoe is on the other foot.
Maybe give a good sized chunk of blame should go to Cyclops for not being a man of his word and having no respect for his marriage to Jean. Your logic states that Scott saw Emma and Jean both the same way, yet he chose Emma. More than once. Scott is a cheating dog. Apparently, neither Scott nor Emma have any respect for the phrase " 'Till death do you part."
Seriously, that wasnt what i meant at all... 😬
I said at the start, that it was from Scott's point of view, not Jean's, she'd have her own point of view...
As far as choosing Emma, Emma was there when he needed someone to push him, someone to go the distance and help him sort out his problems... I've no doubt he loves jean more, but i think at the time, he was better off with emma than jean...
Originally posted by pr1983
Seriously, that wasnt what i meant at all... 😬I said at the start, that it was from Scott's point of view, not Jean's, she'd have her own point of view...
As far as choosing Emma, Emma was there when he needed someone to push him, someone to go the distance and help him sort out his problems... I've no doubt he loves jean more, but i think at the time, he was better off with emma than jean...
Last time I looked, a man looked to his wife for strength, not some underdressed bimbo. Scott is still in the wrong no matter how you paint it.
As far as choosing Emma, Emma was there when he needed someone to push him, someone to go the distance and help him sort out his problems... I've no doubt he loves jean more, but i think at the time, he was better off with emma than jean...
now .. I'm a big Cyclops fan and I do like Jean/Cyclops - but I would agree with everything pr1983 said - Jean is a pedestal love, Emma is the one that is good for him.
But then .. I guess we are all entitled to our own opinions here, and there is no need for anyone to get so .. forceful about differing points of view, right?
Originally posted by Sabretooth
Last time I looked, a man looked to his wife for strength, not some underdressed bimbo. Scott is still in the wrong no matter how you paint it.
But thats my point... he didnt feel he could look to her for strength... so he did with Emma...
Of course he's wrong, he has to take the blame for the collapse of the marriage, but only as much as Jean does... both of them were at fault...
Originally posted by Sabretooth
Maybe give a good sized chunk of blame should go to Cyclops for not being a man of his word and having no respect for his marriage to Jean. Your logic states that Scott saw Emma and Jean both the same way, yet he chose Emma. More than once. Scott is a cheating dog. Apparently, neither Scott nor Emma have any respect for the phrase " 'Till death do you part."
* and Jean isn't? please remember the time then, there was no Emma... Jean and Logan got no respect for the phrase, "till death do you part"... when did Jean shut Logan off? Jean was the first one to ruin a good relationship... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* and Jean isn't? please remember the time then, there was no Emma... Jean and Logan got no respect for the phrase, "till death do you part"... when did Jean shut Logan off? Jean was the first one to ruin a good relationship... 😉
Number of times Jean KISSED Logan? 2.
Number of women Scott has cheated on while married to them? 2.
Number of women Scott has abandoned without even saying goodbye? 1.
Number of children Scott has abandoned without even saying goodbye? 1.
Still gonna try and tell me Jean is at fault here? Oh yeah, Jean crossed the line twice with Logan. Jean still has a way to go before she plummets to Scott's level.
Jean's message to Scott from beyond the grave? "Live Scott. All I ever did was die on you." That doesn't sound much like a woman who puts her own feelings before her husband's to me.
Originally posted by Sabretooth
Number of times Jean KISSED Logan? 2.Number of women Scott has cheated on while married to them? 2.
Number of women Scott has abandoned without even saying goodbye? 1.
Number of children Scott has abandoned without even saying goodbye? 1.
Still gonna try and tell me Jean is at fault here? Oh yeah, Jean crossed the line twice with Logan. Jean still has a way to go before she plummets to Scott's level.
Jean's message to Scott from beyond the grave? "Live Scott. All I ever did was die on you." That doesn't sound much like a woman who puts her own feelings before her husband's to me.
Yes she kissed him twice... he didnt kiss emma, at least not physically... and yes there is a difference to some people (myself i mean 😛). Added to the fact that had jean pushed him, actually tried to get inside him, he wouldnt have touched emma... but as always, she was the phoenix, and he did his best to understand that... i wouldnt be surprised if he hates the phoenix at this point...
Madelyne was the evil clone of jean... he married her because he couldnt get over jean... then when jean came back he ran to her... yes he was wrong to marry madelyne in the first place, but i think it'd be hard for anyone to be in his situation to be completely objective...
his level? ok, having the woman he loves die on him, over and over... fall for the evil clone that happens to bear a striking resemblance to the woman he loved... then fighting against said clone when she tries to kill their son... and then sending said son to the future so he may live... and then following him to help raise him...
jean has plenty of responsibility in this situation, she's by no means innocent...
Originally posted by pr1983
Yes she kissed him twice... he didnt kiss emma, at least not physically... and yes there is a difference to some people (myself i mean 😛). Added to the fact that had jean pushed him, actually tried to get inside him, he wouldnt have touched emma... but as always, she was the phoenix, and he did his best to understand that... i wouldnt be surprised if he hates the phoenix at this point...Madelyne was the evil clone of jean... he married her because he couldnt get over jean... then when jean came back he ran to her... yes he was wrong to marry madelyne in the first place, but i think it'd be hard for anyone to be in his situation to be completely objective...
his level? ok, having the woman he loves die on him, over and over... fall for the evil clone that happens to bear a striking resemblance to the woman he loved... then fighting against said clone when she tries to kill their son... and then sending said son to the future so he may live... and then following him to help raise him...
jean has plenty of responsibility in this situation, she's by no means innocent...
His level? How about selfishly marrying a woman only because she reminded him of a dead chick he was once in love with? How about selfishly running out on a the same woman and their child knowing that he has a commitment to them but won't even bother with a phone call? Yeah, I might be pissed off enough to get me some revenge with a few demon's help too (I wouldn't have hurt the kid though, that's way beyond the line for me). How about selfishly giving in to animal desire on more than on occasion with some hot bimbo because he felt he and his new wife (the same woman he left the other wife for!) had drifted too far apart? The guy makes me sick. There is no way I will accept he is a victim here or that what he did with Emma wasn't wrong because it wasn't in the physical realm. If you're doing something with someone else that you can't tell your spouse about without him/her getting really cheesed off, it's cheating. Did he even wait for Jean's body to get cold before bringing the stuff he was doing with Emma into the physical realm? Hopefully Emma was wearing some black panties out of respect for the dead at least.
Two kisses is cheating. All the pain Scott has caused many other people because he only thinks of himself blows anything Jean has ever done off the map.
Originally posted by Sabretooth
His level? How about selfishly marrying a woman only because she reminded him of a dead chick he was once in love with? How about selfishly running out on a the same woman and their child knowing that he has a commitment to them but won't even bother with a phone call? Yeah, I might be pissed off enough to get me some revenge with a few demon's help too (I wouldn't have hurt the kid though, that's way beyond the line for me). How about selfishly giving in to animal desire on more than on occasion with some hot bimbo because he felt he and his new wife (the same woman he left the other wife for!) had drifted too far apart? The guy makes me sick. There is no way I will accept he is a victim here or that what he did with Emma wasn't wrong because it wasn't in the physical realm. If you're doing something with someone else that you can't tell your spouse about without him/her getting really cheesed off, it's cheating. Did he even wait for Jean's body to get cold before bringing the stuff he was doing with Emma into the physical realm? Hopefully Emma was wearing some black panties out of respect for the dead at least.Two kisses is cheating. All the pain Scott has caused many other people because he only thinks of himself blows anything Jean has ever done off the map.
Himself? he led the team for years, even when jean had died... he barely ever had a chance to grieve...
he was in love with jean when he lost her, and maddie seemed too good to be true, how could he not at least give it a go?
what animal desire? the reason he went to emma in the first place was BECAUSE he didnt think jean would help him...
yes he made mistakes with emma, but frankly, he'd pushed away so many women for jean, and she couldnt return the favour just once? she couldnt tell logan to go f*ck himself and leave her alone?
She even tries to seduce logan in new x-men #117, long before scott even talks to emma, yet he pushes her away, at the same time scott is going through the biggest crisis of his life... yeah, she's such a model wife... 😛
Originally posted by pr1983
Himself? he led the team for years, even when jean had died... he barely ever had a chance to grieve...he was in love with jean when he lost her, and maddie seemed too good to be true, how could he not at least give it a go?
what animal desire? the reason he went to emma in the first place was BECAUSE he didnt think jean would help him...
yes he made mistakes with emma, but frankly, he'd pushed away so many women for jean, and she couldnt return the favour just once? she couldnt tell logan to go f*ck himself and leave her alone?
She even tries to seduce logan in new x-men #117, long before scott even talks to emma, yet he pushes her away, at the same time scott is going through the biggest crisis of his life... yeah, she's such a model wife... 😛
Hmmmm... I remember Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler, And Kitty (sort of) leading in the years of Jean's death. I remember Scott having to be talked into facing his life and moving on by his friends and teammates several times. I also remember Wolverine being there through it all as the heart and soul of the team, and he missed Jean just as much as Scott.
What animal desire? How about the animal desire to bang the first hot chick who came after him in his moments of crisis? You would think a little alarm would have went off in his head when Emma was even dressed as Jean in their little "counseling session". Maybe the reason he THOUGHT instead of KNEW Jean wouldn't help him is because he never bothered to talk to her.
They have both done their fair share of pushing people who are attracted to them away. I think there have been more male X-Men who have had the hots for Jean at one time or another than not. I also remember her telling Logan to go away more than once, but nobody can make him do something he's not willing to do. Maybe Scott should have stepped in and done something about Wolverine. It's not like Wolverine was hiding his feelings or intentions from anybody. I would have done my best to make life hell for him if he that was my wife.
X-Men #117 was complete garbage. You have followed Jean and Scott through the years, can you tell me Jean has ever given you any reason to think she would be anything less than faithful to Scott? Logan (among others) has been trying to weasel his way into her heart for over twenty years and because one writer has her give in to his advances now she is a ****? This is just like Spider-Man beating Firelord: the event never should have happened because anybody who knows the characters knows that there is no possible way it could have happened. Firelord would drop a train on Spidy without breaking a sweat and Jean's love for Scott is too strong for her to give in to any physical attraction for Logan. Scott on the other hand, has exhibited selfish behavior time after time even putting his own personal feelings before those of his only child. Scott is a deadbeat dad, crappy husband and has no idea what the word "commitment" means.
Originally posted by Sabretooth
Hmmmm... I remember Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler, And Kitty (sort of) leading in the years of Jean's death. I remember Scott having to be talked into facing his life and moving on by his friends and teammates several times. I also remember Wolverine being there through it all as the heart and soul of the team, and he missed Jean just as much as Scott.
he did miss her, but i doubt he knew and loved her as much as scott did... he loved her with every inch of his being... and he'd been with her, he'd felt her love in return... i'm surprised he was able to continue at all after losing her...
What animal desire? How about the animal desire to bang the first hot chick who came after him in his moments of crisis? You would think a little alarm would have went off in his head when Emma was even dressed as Jean in their little "counseling session". Maybe the reason he THOUGHT instead of KNEW Jean wouldn't help him is because he never bothered to talk to her.
He'd tried with jean, but he knew, just like always, that her temper would never allow her the patience required... and a psychic affair is a hell of alot different to a physical one. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that its different, and a hell of alot more confusing...
They have both done their fair share of pushing people who are attracted to them away. I think there have been more male X-Men who have had the hots for Jean at one time or another than not. I also remember her telling Logan to go away more than once, but nobody can make him do something he's not willing to do. Maybe Scott should have stepped in and done something about Wolverine. It's not like Wolverine was hiding his feelings or intentions from anybody. I would have done my best to make life hell for him if he that was my wife.
I'd say scott wanted to, but this was the x-men, he had to set an example, and i dont think xavier would've reacted to both of them trying to kill each other in front of all the other students...
X-Men #117 was complete garbage. You have followed Jean and Scott through the years, can you tell me Jean has ever given you any reason to think she would be anything less than faithful to Scott? Logan (among others) has been trying to weasel his way into her heart for over twenty years and because one writer has her give in to his advances now she is a ****?
She was lonely... scott had turned away because he felt unloved, so they both had the same problem, and i have followed it, and i know that jean, while loving scott, has always had something inside her for logan...
This is just like Spider-Man beating Firelord: the event never should have happened because anybody who knows the characters knows that there is no possible way it could have happened. Firelord would drop a train on Spidy without breaking a sweat and Jean's love for Scott is too strong for her to give in to any physical attraction for Logan. Scott on the other hand, has exhibited selfish behavior time after time even putting his own personal feelings before those of his only child. Scott is a deadbeat dad, crappy husband and has no idea what the word "commitment" means.
Thats one way of looking at it (if a bit excessive with the whole firelord thing 😛)... yet he loved jean enough to run back to her from maddie... he was stuck in the middle, and i know what thats like, its incredibly hard to choose... eventually he did choose... he had always loved jean more, so he went for her... he's been commited enough to follow cable to the future and help raise him... to lead the x-men for god knows how many years... to come back to jean even though betsy was throwing herself at him, to come back even though he was with maddie...
commitment can be different from certain points of view... 😛
look, i don't mean to be rude, but i've argued this same argument over and over since i first read new x-men, and no offence, but i feel like its always the same points between me and the person i'm debating with... i do consider your points well put together and have nothing but respect for you, but seriously, how about we just agree to disagree?
Originally posted by Sabretooth
I also remember Wolverine being there through it all as the heart and soul of the team, and he missed Jean just as much as Scott.
Of course, Logan missed Jean, but not as much. At that point he was already in love with Mariko. Scott lost his first love. Logan lost one of his loved ones
Scott on the other hand, has exhibited selfish behavior time after time even putting his own personal feelings before those of his only child. Scott is a deadbeat dad, crappy husband and has no idea what the word "commitment" means.
Scott´s separation from his first wife was not his proudest moment. He acted in a way that was stupid, weak and selfish. However, separations and divorces are nasty and very few people handle them well. Yes, Scott should have made more efforts to keep in touch with his family while trying to get his head straight and deciding whether his marriage can (or even should) be saved. Yes, he should have told Jean about Maddie much earlier. And yes, he absolutely should have realized that the fact that his calls and letters to Maddie went unanswered could be a sign of real trouble. But still, I got the impression that he was planning to deal with his situation with Maddie and he had every intention of being a father to his son no matter how things would go with Maddie. And he didn´t start a relationship with Jean until after he was led to believe his wife was dead.
So all and all, I think Scott is capable of making big mistakes in his personal life, but not more so than most people. His affair with Emma was selfish and wrong, but it wasn´t bad enough to stop me from liking him.
* Cyke and Jean are both victims, and ironically, they are also both the offenders... i side for Cyke more because his actions, how unreasonable it may seem, is far more reasonable than what Jean did in their relationship...
Originally posted by Sabretooth
Hmmmm... I remember Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler, And Kitty (sort of) leading in the years of Jean's death. I remember Scott having to be talked into facing his life and moving on by his friends and teammates several times. I also remember Wolverine being there through it all as the heart and soul of the team, and he missed Jean just as much as Scott.
* i agree with mr.drifter and mr.pr1983, it takes a lot of a person's being to deal something what Cyke had gone through when Jean died... Logan's feelings was utterly outclassed...
Originally posted by Sabretooth
What animal desire? How about the animal desire to bang the first hot chick who came after him in his moments of crisis? You would think a little alarm would have went off in his head when Emma was even dressed as Jean in their little "counseling session". Maybe the reason he THOUGHT instead of KNEW Jean wouldn't help him is because he never bothered to talk to her.
* the psychic affair between Cyke and Emma, is somewhat having a very sexual and sensual dream with your conscious mind switched "on"... it was Jean who made out (literally, physically kissed) with Logan which makes her violation more grave than what Cyke did... a psychic affair with Logan would equal it out, but make it physical? the gloves are off, pal...
Originally posted by Sabretooth
They have both done their fair share of pushing people who are attracted to them away. I think there have been more male X-Men who have had the hots for Jean at one time or another than not. I also remember her telling Logan to go away more than once, but nobody can make him do something he's not willing to do. Maybe Scott should have stepped in and done something about Wolverine. It's not like Wolverine was hiding his feelings or intentions from anybody. I would have done my best to make life hell for him if he that was my wife.
* who would?! Cyke is not saint! one click and Cyke can blow Logan's head off... but as a faithful husband, he knows Jean loves him and would tell off Logan, but Cyke was ever so wrong... Jean failed Cyke's faith in her...
Originally posted by Sabretooth
X-Men #117 was complete garbage. You have followed Jean and Scott through the years, can you tell me Jean has ever given you any reason to think she would be anything less than faithful to Scott? Logan (among others) has been trying to weasel his way into her heart for over twenty years and because one writer has her give in to his advances now she is a ****? This is just like Spider-Man beating Firelord: the event never should have happened because anybody who knows the characters knows that there is no possible way it could have happened. Firelord would drop a train on Spidy without breaking a sweat and Jean's love for Scott is too strong for her to give in to any physical attraction for Logan. Scott on the other hand, has exhibited selfish behavior time after time even putting his own personal feelings before those of his only child. Scott is a deadbeat dad, crappy husband and has no idea what the word "commitment" means.
* "commitment"?! Cyke commited his whole life to Jean and the team... you're telling us now that the X-men #117 should not have happened? was a fluke? but sorry to tell you, it did...
* and, a phychic affair is more tolerable, more reasonable than a physical one... 😉
Fair enough PR1983, but my intention in this discussion was not to change your opinion on this issue, nor was I expecting you to be able to change mine. You and I both have too much stubborn Irish blood running through us. I was simply giving the other side in rebuttal to your opinion on Cyclops' state of mind and who should be accountable in this mess. That way anybody who was still undecided could weigh both points of view before they made their own decision. I will say this though, I probably wouldn't be giving much advice on romance and commitment while you're using that picture in your sig. heh. Now if, you'll excuse me while I deal with this guy who thinks I'm his "pal"...
Originally posted by peejayd
* Cyke and Jean are both victims, and ironically, they are also both the offenders... i side for Cyke more because his actions, how unreasonable it may seem, is far more reasonable than what Jean did in their relationship...
I agree that they are both victims and offenders, but disagree that Scott's actions are more reasonable than those of Jean.
Originally posted by peejayd
* * i agree with mr.drifter and mr.pr1983, it takes a lot of a person's being to deal something what Cyke had gone through when Jean died... Logan's feelings was utterly outclassed...
Oh Cyclops definitely grieved for Jean, maybe even more than Wolverine. However, Wolverine's emotions are more on a primal level than Cyclops' so they deal with death and sorrow in different ways. Wolverine internalizes everything being the gruff loner that he is (which my therapist keeps telling me is REAL bad) and Cyclops knocks up the first chick he can find that looks like Jean. Scott probably felt more grief but Logan probably went through more emotional pain.
Originally posted by peejayd
* * the psychic affair between Cyke and Emma, is somewhat having a very sexual and sensual dream with your conscious mind switched "on"... it was Jean who made out (literally, physically kissed) with Logan which makes her violation more grave than what Cyke did... a psychic affair with Logan would equal it out, but make it physical? the gloves are off, pal...
Okay, "pal". I think maybe you're forgetting that mental contact with a telepath is a bit more in depth than just a simple daydream or talking with someone else with thoughts. We are talking about the unification of two completely separate minds. Two people sharing their mentality with one another is far more intimate than anything in the physical realm. I have been with a few women physically, but there are very few people in this world who I will tell my innermost thoughts. Mrs. Sabretooth happens to be one of them. I'm going to keep her around a long time for the reason. That is why if some hairy little jerk kept hitting of her, something wet would happen to him.
Originally posted by peejayd
* * who would?! Cyke is not saint! one click and Cyke can blow Logan's head off... but as a faithful husband, he knows Jean loves him and would tell off Logan, but Cyke was ever so wrong... Jean failed Cyke's faith in her...
Cyke can blow Logan's head off with one click? Um, no. And did you just call Scott a "faithful husband"? Excuse me while I go spit out the little bit of puke I just coughed up reading that ridicules statement...
Originally posted by peejayd
* * "commitment"?! Cyke commited his whole life to Jean and the team... you're telling us now that the X-men #117 should not have happened? was a fluke? but sorry to tell you, it did...
It's called PIS. Plot Induced Stupidity. They ***** about it all the time in the comic book vs. forums. It happens all the time to characters who have more than one writer. Everybody has different ideas about how certain characters would handle different situations. Once again let me quote Jean in her farewell to Scott:
"Live Scott. All I ever did was die on you."
Does that sound like someone who puts their own feelings before those of her loved one?
#117 Should not have happened but it did. You don't have to be sorry, it's not your fault. You didn't write it.
Originally posted by peejayd
* * and, a phychic affair is more tolerable, more reasonable than a physical one... 😉
Whatever blows your sails. I disagree.
Originally posted by Sabretooth
Fair enough PR1983, but my intention in this discussion was not to change your opinion on this issue, nor was I expecting you to be able to change mine. You and I both have too much stubborn Irish blood running through us. I was simply giving the other side in rebuttal to your opinion on Cyclops' state of mind and who should be accountable in this mess. That way anybody who was still undecided could weigh both points of view before they made their own decision. I will say this though, I probably wouldn't be giving much advice on romance and commitment while you're using that picture in your sig. heh. Now if, you'll excuse me while I deal with this guy who thinks I'm his "pal"...
Oh, i know, its just the fact that i've done the same thing over and over... it gets kind of, i don't know what the word is...
tho, cheap shot dude, cheap shot... 😛
a sig is just a sig... 😉
and i liked #117, given the context of morrisson's writing, i thought it wasn't PIS at all... it was a moment of weakness, everyone has them... 😬
Originally posted by pr1983
Oh, i know, its just the fact that i've done the same thing over and over... it gets kind of, i don't know what the word is...tho, cheap shot dude, cheap shot... 😛
a sig is just a sig... 😉
and i liked #117, given the context of morrisson's writing, i thought it wasn't PIS at all... it was a moment of weakness, everyone has them... 😬
A moment of weakness huh? Like when Firelord gets all weak when he takes on Spider-Man?
Nope, not at all... put it this way, you're a married man/woman, and for the last 6 months (or longer), you've been having trouble at home... then someone you've always found attractive is nearby and obviously is as attracted to you as you are to them, and you think maybe, maybe, things would be better with that other someone (even for a brief moment), they'd understand your loneliness better than anyone...
that is, to me at least, incredibly tempting... it takes alot, for anyone (at least imo), to resist that temptation...