Comment this statement on social advancement please -

Hello gang,

Some 150 years ago, black people were slaves.
Gradually some genius understood that color is not a prerequisite to be bright or dumb.
We finally had some decent rights for these folks. This was beautiful when you read them. Unfortunately, as of many things around, from theory to practice was a gigantic precipice.
At first there were racial murders, ect, ect, ad infinitum.
Although racial murders still happen today, the situattion has gotten better. In many people's mind - a person is a...person.
My question or what I would like you to comment by your experience is this: do you think we are socially advancing where eventually we could possible come to be a "Star Trekolie" society? Everyone would be a person? Or do you think we'll always be divided - that there is no hope of us ever being a little more than scared little people?

whoa this is too much for my small li'l brain 😑

You've answered the question. Thank you.

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I am to much pessimist. But I am sure that only after solve economic problems it could be possible to solve social/racial problems.
It is a short think, but unfortunatly that's the way most of common people think.
In modern societies there are local specific situations wich can demonstrate that. In a large scale, just see the LA conflicts some years ago.
I think USA (I don't know if happens the same in Canada) is a very bad example for your "Star Trekolie" 🙂 society.
I prefer the european approach to this mather, with a more social and inter-cultural point of view.
The 11 of November prove how the american society react, with a demonstration of racialism, wich was more than a religious descrimination. In the same way of the descrimination Japanese people living in USA during the WWII - with american nationality. In otherway, the anti-communist politics of EJ Hoover, and Latin descrimination too.

In Europe the social aproach to this mather could walk in your "Star Trekolie" society, but it will happens not before the XXV century.
Only if it will happens "the first contact" with a Borg menace 😛

I advise you to search social politic web sites coz I must work now 😗

I think things will get much worse beofre they get better, due to the fact alot of bad thing happining in our society.
But i agree with Corlindel i think that Europe is the next stage of evolution in society because i have no doubt that soon they be a United states of europe which i think will improve europe greatly even better then the U.S.

But i have the feeling that something drastic has to happen for the whole world to Unite in peace and thats a scary thaught.

I really hope we can achive peace in world i dream the day when are world would be like the one in Start Trek.

By the way this is a a great thread Friend44
🙂 well done mate

Thanks. I only write things that knock on my brain.
When I think of it, I feel that nothing ever changed for black people. As long as it's hidden and doesn't leave marks you can do anything to black people.
I don't necessarily like or dislike black people. I don't simply usually think of it - a little if you asked me what I think of Japanese midgets... When I do think of black people, I simply feel they're getting the raw deal. It's like some people think they are subhuman or something.

Originally posted by Friend44
Thanks. I only write things that knock on my brain.
When I think of it, I feel that nothing ever changed for black people. As long as it's hidden and doesn't leave marks you can do anything to black people.
I don't necessarily like or dislike black people. I don't simply usually think of it - a little if you asked me what I think of Japanese midgets... When I do think of black people, I simply feel they're getting the raw deal. It's like some people think they are subhuman or something.

The entire problem is this automatic differentiation of socioeconomic statuses between minority and majority ethnicities. There is no such universal truth, so we cannot treat it as such! Are Johnnie Cochrane’s children underprivileged? How about Will Smith’s? Michael Jordan’s? Colin Powell’s? Since the problems don’t end with blacks, how about Carlos Santana’s? Connie Chung’s? I’ll be damned if I can justify any beliefs that minority poverty and un-education are based upon current segregative trends - past trends, certainly, but not current. The largest problem, again, is that we’re attempting to fix things – and poorly.

The beauty of the idea of socioeconomic status is that it is all encompassing. It’s vague and demands close scrutiny by admittance boards and employers, but no more than such agencies already profess to give. There is absolutely no reason that a Hillary Banks type should gain acceptance to Ann Arbor or UI-Bloomington or Harvard over a Will Hunting type, but given a poor application year for minorities, just such a situation could happen. According to an article in The Indianapolis Star, written by a former admissions officer for the University of Indiana – Bloomington Law School, they annually “leap-frog” approximately 330 more qualified non-minority applicants in order to fill their quota.

A poor man is a poor man, and an uneducated man is an uneducated man. Generally, the two qualities are shared. Generally those two are shared by a third quality; minority, but not always. As I already demonstrated, there are minority members all along the socioeconomic spectrum - not just at one end. They've proven that whatever inequities there are in life can indeed be overcome, and also thrown a wrench in the gears of antiquated ideas and processes such as affirmative action - now little more than catchy phrases that allow middle- and upper-class white folk to feel better about the continued hardships of the minority proletariat.

I really feel that we (all those who see differences) should drop the whole racial profiling thing altogether and instead, focus upon the things the underprivileged suffer through. To quote Frederick Douglas, "Everybody has asked the question... 'What shall we do with the Negro?' I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!"

BTW it's 6:00 am and I haven't slept for 25 hours. Though I can't sleep (why I'm here), I'm tired as hell - so I'm sorry if my post seems a bit jumbled...

"Star Trekolie"- you mean US dominated? The idea that Star Trek showed some sort of utopian united Earth future was always bankrupt. it was one man's vision of mankind's expansion into space done HIS way.

Well, yes, the term utopian might've been better but I want people to "see" in their heads what I mean by that range.

[Moving to GDF, as it's not really a OT thread]

👇 Raz, I will be moving your comment to the ot forum, it wasn't about my thread.

I think we've made many advancements toward the elimination of racism. It will always exist though, no matter how hard you try to crush it. I mean we cant make someone like someone else, we can only show them that what they think may or may not be true (such as stereotypes, or fears along those lines). I dont think we'll get to star trekkian society where someone is sitting next to someone eating some interplanetary gremlin in thier soup, but we're doing the best we can thus far.

I would like to think a hundred years from now people wont even remember racism...but only time will tell.

Furthermore fellow posters,

Racism, I bet will evolve, it will get to be even different than what it is someday. People living on Mars? People having robot parts to replace limbs ect...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
"Star Trekolie"- you mean US dominated? The idea that Star Trek showed some sort of utopian united Earth future was always bankrupt. it was one man's vision of mankind's expansion into space done HIS way.

Ush, my post was based upon the US because I've only lived here. I can't speak with authority about France or Germany or Australia or Japan or Brazil or even Canada, so I won't. 🙂 Frederick's theory is sound, though - without interefence, those that are capable of surviving and climbing up the ladder will.

And I never once thought of Star Trek in my post. I shouldn't have to. Furthermore, to my knowledge, the only point in the Star Trek Earth history where they were both broke and unified was immediately after the events described in First Contact, and things were on the upswing at a very fast rate. During First Contact, no one was unified and they were recovering from a global atomic war. 😛

All very well, but I was referring to Friend44's first post, nothing to do with you!

IM afraid we are always gonna be divided as a spicies...its just the way things are....if not by race, then by colour, if not by colour, then by religion and if not by that, then by class....

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
IM afraid we are always gonna be divided as a spicies...its just the way things are....if not by race, then by colour, if not by colour, then by religion and if not by that, then by class....

There are few things I hate more, than the fact that I agree with you. As much as Id like to see things really get better, humanity just doesnt seem to be capable of it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
All very well, but I was referring to Friend44's first post, nothing to do with you!

Lol... Indeed. I read the first post very early this morning, and didn't remember it all. 😛 Seeing as how I've been teased a little bit on here about being a Trekkie, I just figured you were talking about me without bothering to verify it. 😂

I've got another response, then. Friend's Canadian, and prolly doesn't want to see the world run by Americans. 😉 They even take classes about how horrible we are. 🙂