Do you want me around or not?

Democracy is not freedom, it's mobocracy.

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Freedom is not something that can be enforced upon others.

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I agree with you about the rich and the powerful. That's what the Second Amendment is there to acknowledge - our civic duty to overthrow the government once it becomes oppressive, unjust, and corrupt. The problem is that not enough people are willing to take up arms against the politicians, bankers, lawyers, corrupt cops (and that's specifically the corrupt ones), and the rich and the powerful. Only once those elements of society have been exterminated all across the world can humanity know true freedom. It's Right vs. Might. Some day, the tables will turn.

Hmmmmmmm..HH..the Second Admendment doesn't say all that..you're putting words in the Second Amendment's mouth..

"A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

See that? It says "people." That means the individual. We ARE the militia. The people are a self-regulatory militia, as individuals. We can form organized militias if we want to, but even if we don't, we're still a militia, even if we're an official disorganized one.

A free state can't exist unless we're willing to fight tyranny in all its forms. Therefore, I wasn't putting words in the Second Amendment's mouth.

I'll e-iterate that the last thing I want is power being given to the people like that. It is a terrifying prospect. If that is how it was done we'd still be living in the trees.

I have faith and confidence in government, and people who seem to think that people have a responsibility to raise in armed protest against it scare the heck out of me. Democracy is self-regulating as it is; tyranny is near impossible with it.

The meaning of the Second Amendment is debatable. What is less debatable is that it is killing a LOT of people.

Quite. And such an attitude just gives power to the people who have the weapons. Now, I wouldn't like that at all.
In your scenario only big guns get you freedom and individuality. Again, only you. May I remind you that we live on this planet with some 5 billion people. Or in the words of Steven Spielberg: "We are not alone."
Try selling your gun and buy some food for a poor person who has no money.

US militia well there you got some gun crazy rednecks with limited knowledge of what is happening in the world.

The way it seems now it's people like that that's sending anthrax by mail these days. Nice going.

Well they need to prove that first though and in my opinion you need some brain to do that anthrax thing . So that would rule out the militia guys

Yes, sending a letter is quite complicated. 😄

dont forgett the licking of the stamp and glue it to the envelope part, to complicated for them

Indeed.

In fact, first step in training for a guy to become member of a suicide squad is licking the envelopes with anthrax.

and try to figure out why it does not stick

Wipe the powder off your tongue etc.

Still kind of scary though, remind my self not to apply for a job on the post office

There is a good deal of accountability and democratic principle here, of course. When people like tha claim they are 'defending my rights', I get extremely nervous. I don't remember asking these people to act against the system in what THEY think are my interests. As far as I am concerned, that is power assumed and stolen.

Amazing how quickly you can become what you hate...

nah could never become a Swede 😂

😂

HavocHound has seen Fight Club too many times.

"The meaning of the Second Amendment is debatable. What is less debatable is that it is killing a LOT of people."

You really think the Amendment itself is going around killing people? That makes no sense!

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"dont forgett the licking of the stamp and glue it to the envelope part, to complicated for them"

"...you need some brain to do that anthrax thing . So that would rule out the militia guys"

Just keep thinking that. At least we're willing to fight against totalitarianism, not just talk about it.

"The way it seems now it's people like that that's sending anthrax by mail these days. Nice going."

No proof! Why would you assume that? You're thinking in the pattern the System wants you to think in. Militias are there to protect, not to terrorize. So you have everything backwards.

"US militia well there you got some gun crazy rednecks with limited knowledge of what is happening in the world."

Wrong. We have greater knowledge than most about what's happening in the world. That's why they call us "paranoid."

The bottom line is - you have us figured all wrong.

"Try selling your gun and buy some food for a poor person who has no money."

No need for that. I could just buy them a meal and give them some clothes and then give them a gun and teach them how to hunt. Then they would be able to sustain their own life independently without having to rely on others. Most people who call themselves human beings aren't very cheritable.

You know perfectly well what I meant, HH. It's causing the deaths of a lot of people.

Again, your way only gives freedom to those strong enough to take it for themselves; it's no system I want anything to do with., I repeat. We haven't got you figured all wrong; we have you figured all right and that is why we don't like it.

You have no right to assume guardianship or power of any part of the political system outside of the ballot box. And thank God for that...

"You have no right to assume guardianship or power of any part of the political system outside of the ballot box."

Why not? Who does?

Do you really believe that people can't govern themselves? Do you really think government has the peoples' best interest in mind? Governments are just like corporations, they're in it for themselves. Everyone deemed subordinate to the elitist bureaucracy is treated like just another brick in the wall.

I don't know about you but I don't wan to be just another brick in the wall. We are human beings. We're not expendable pawns of the State. And we're not minions of Big Business. We are free individuals. Everyone should treat each other as people, not property. We're not just material objects.

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If the only decision we're allowed to make is which politician to vote for, then we truly are living under the yoke of a totalitarian state. We have become a conformist society of cubicle slaves living lives of misery and blandness disguised behind the veil of hedonistic physical glamor. Professionalism is valued more highly than virtue. People dress like peacocks, worshipping their own image, wearing formal suits and ties and dresses and adorning their bodies just to please others.

I declare that since society is the cause of all this misery, society should be abolished. I am an advocate of the abolition of society.