the eight person thing is NEVER going to be proven or disproven by "evidence." you have to look at different cultures and you either wonder why they all have a certain thread in common and draw a conclusion, or you can dismiss it because it would mean the bible said something that was in fact true. heaven forbid. 😉
first of all, i will say that i never said that every culture said 8 people survived the flood. i said nearly every culture. what i did say is that nearly every culture that specified a number, said there were 8. and as far as the number being 8 people, what reason does anyone have to disagree? honestly. we obviously know there was more than 1 person who survived, and anyone who disagrees is a complete idiot. 🙂 ive yet to come across a culture that specifies a different number survived.
as far as the proof goes, there IS evidence to support the number as being 8. the bible says there were 8 and the bible is a historicaly accurate book. while i concede people may disagree with its religious teachings, the bible has consistently proved to be historically and scientifically acurate. there have been many instances where names and places in the bible have been thought to be made up, and the bible was discredited. then archeologists discovered those places and names. in EVERY instance, archeology has either proved what the bible says is correct, or is simply inconclusive because theres no strong evidence one way or the other. so thats one evidence.
another is the japanese character for "ship". its the symbol for "boat" with the symbol for "8" on top of it. no one can argue with that. that is another evidence. while not conclusive in of itself, it would be a very interesting coincidence. if someone has similar evidence supporting a different number, id be more than willing to hear it.
i would suggest that a moderator move this discussion to a general discussion area. im sure people are wondering why the hell theres a discussion about 8 people surviving the flood in a thread called "i am your father."
if no one wants to move it, i will give mad props to anyone that can tie all of this back in to our original discussion. 🙂
yeah, sure, the bible is historical accurate; if we want to destroy a city wall, we always walk around it three times and shout 🙄
So... where is the hell? They haven't found THAT place yet, not talking about heaven here...
For that Japanese thing, I don't know Japanese that well, and I don't know the figure for boat, so I pass on that...
and because there are civilizations that said that there weren't 8 survivors, your story falls apart, because if there were only 8; why would another say something different? (espacially when they were with those so called 8 survivors)??
which cultures say the number is different than 8? i know cultures that spoke of a man that survived, but obviously there had to be one other person, a woman, otherwise we wouldnt be here. just because a culture doesnt mention a number, that is not an agrument that there were no others. especially in patriarchial societys like in those days. generally the head of the family is the only person beleived to be of importance.
about jerico, it IS proven that the walls of jerico fell, but theres no way to ever prove HOW they fell, unless you want to use your time machine and take a video camera and go back and watch.
and about hell, i DID say that the discussion was on historical matters, not matters of doctrine. that being said, hell is not a biblical teaching. it was actually adopted sometime in the third century by the etruscans, i beleive.
prove it wasnt. thats my point. the isrealites lost gods favor when they killed jesus, so god doesnt help them win wars anymore. you cant prove how the walls fell.
and finding a couple cultures that dont talk about the number 8, doesnt prove anything. i could find several that do. either way, its really a moot point. there were atleast 2 and probably more. 8 is not a disbeleivable number, and if you want to find some culture that says there were 6 instead of 8, then go ahead and beleive there were 6 if you want.
as far as hell goes, you have to remember that the bible was not written in engilsh. it was written in hebrew, greek, and parts in aramaic (spelling). the hebrew and greek words translated hell literally mean grave. so when the bible speaks of someone going to hell, its saying theyre going to the grave. so if any punk christian all high on himself ever told you you were going to hell, you can tell him he was an idiot and can kiss your @$$ 🙂
i would agree, and suggest AGAIN that if someone wants to continue the discussion of religious stuff a moderator move it to a general discussion forum. if not, then ill just try to put this thread back on track.
i would like to take a little poll. yay or nay. yay if you think the explaination of anakins having no father in TPM stands and no further explaination is necessary. nay if you think theres more to it than meets the eye, whether you think sidious is his father, or someone else.
This is a SW forum here dudes. THis sounds more like something for the GDF.
I will say this though, bigsef. Saying the Bible is historically accurate and that archaeologists have proven that is actually up for a huge debate. THe current accepted view is that everything the Bible talks about BEFORE the reign of Rehaboam (around 900 BC) is pure myth, for one simple fact alone: lack of archaeological evidence....
Nevertheless, there are alternative ways of looking at it. But using the accepted dating methods by lineage, reign years and genealogies there never was a Jericho destroyed by Joshua. Here too is an alternative theory and it all evolves around DATING not so much in finding stuff. But this is not right the forum for it.
Get back on topic or this gets closed.