Originally posted by Lana
Well, not with any real validity, no it can't, as it's not canon.
Well for instance in the SW versus forum lets say you have a Revan vs Vader thread. More than half the people say Vader could win simply because he was in the movies and you can't a compair a video game character to a solid movie character. That is complete bullshit. From what we know of Revan and the Mandalorian Wars he would waste Vader's ass.
I'll just repeat what I said when this thread began some two years ago.
It is a mistake to think that making EU canon would in some way make it more valid as an artform, or better as a piece of work. As I outlined, the fact that EU was 'cut loose', as it were, from GL's continuity is the factor that gave authors the creative freedom to create many of the stories that they have, and on the assumption that you like these stories then you have to appreciate that they might very well have not existed if EU were tied into the movie continuity.
People must understand that 'canon' does not mean 'better'. It means... well... 'canon'. And specifically, because canon is not a word exclusive to SW films, we mean 'film canon' and the only reason EU gets excluded is NOT because it is considered inferior or contemptible... but simply because when trying to discuss facts behind the films, the EU sources, to all intents and purposes, don't exist. GL does not actually count them as part of his Universe- he sees them as a parallel.
That does not lower the value of EU in any way at all. It simply makes it different. And of course, the EU has its OWN canon, consisting of all the books and so forth, that has its own rules (Infinities not in, Splinter not in, etc.), and that also happens, of course, to include the films as well (odd as that may sound, it is of course entirely obvious that it would have to).
So if you want to disucss who is better than whom in regards to GL's film universe, then of course you can't use EU sources becaue the creative mind behind that Universe doesn't count them.
But if you want to argue it more broadly, you could always argue it based on the EU universe instead, which is by no means 'less important', and even if it was, what does it matter? In the EU forum you are among fellow fans for that kind of thing.
To make EU 'canon' would be to destroy its own seperate universe and merge it with GL's film universe. I honestly think that would do the franchises more harm than good.
Originally posted by overlord
Signature: Niet bang ben van me omdat ik... bang ben van me kwaad ben omdat ik u zal doden.Translation: Not afraid of me because I.. Afraid of me angry am because I shall kill you.
What the hell are you trying to say?? 😱
Oops...I thought that said "Do not fear me because I and evil...fear me because I will kill you.
My Dutch is very limited as with my German.
If you meant "Do not fear me because I am evil.. Fear me because I will kill you." then here is the translation to Dutch: "Wees niet bang omdat ik het kwaad ben.. Wees bang omdat ik je zal vermoorden."
I had to change the sentense formulation a bit, of course.. Because it is almost impossible to just translate and hope you get a logical sentense in any language. Anyway, glad to be of service.. 🙂
Originally posted by overlord
If you meant "Do not fear me because I [b]am evil.. Fear me because I will kill you." then here is the translation to Dutch: "Wees niet bang omdat ik het kwaad ben.. Wees bang omdat ik je zal vermoorden."I had to change the sentense formulation a bit, of course.. Because it is almost impossible to just translate and hope you get a logical sentense in any language. Anyway, glad to be of service.. 🙂 [/B]
Thanks.
Ush, I hate to point this out, but you've gone over it before and in detail and no one ever gets it. I mean, some people won't accept the evident no matter how much you offer it to them.
Movies are entirely separate from the alternate universe of EU. Even I've come to realize how badly this was driven home.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I'll just repeat what I said when this thread began some two years ago.It is a mistake to think that making EU canon would in some way make it more valid as an artform, or better as a piece of work. As I outlined, the fact that EU was 'cut loose', as it were, from GL's continuity is the factor that gave authors the creative freedom to create many of the stories that they have, and on the assumption that you like these stories then you have to appreciate that they might very well have not existed if EU were tied into the movie continuity.
People must understand that 'canon' does not mean 'better'. It means... well... 'canon'. And specifically, because canon is not a word exclusive to SW films, we mean 'film canon' and the only reason EU gets excluded is NOT because it is considered inferior or contemptible... but simply because when trying to discuss facts behind the films, the EU sources, to all intents and purposes, don't exist. GL does not actually count them as part of his Universe- he sees them as a parallel.
That does not lower the value of EU in any way at all. It simply makes it different. And of course, the EU has its OWN canon, consisting of all the books and so forth, that has its own rules (Infinities not in, Splinter not in, etc.), and that also happens, of course, to include the films as well (odd as that may sound, it is of course entirely obvious that it would have to).
So if you want to disucss who is better than whom in regards to GL's film universe, then of course you can't use EU sources becaue the creative mind behind that Universe doesn't count them.
But if you want to argue it more broadly, you could always argue it based on the EU universe instead, which is by no means 'less important', and even if it was, what does it matter? In the EU forum you are among fellow fans for that kind of thing.
To make EU 'canon' would be to destroy its own seperate universe and merge it with GL's film universe. I honestly think that would do the franchises more harm than good.
The novels are 'semi' canon as they directly derive from GL's work.
But for absolutely definite the novels are NOT EU. Remember, the SW output isn't split into 'EU/Non-canon' and 'Non-EU/canon'. It doesn't work like that. EU is a name given to the series of products that contain stories about the Star Wars Galaxy that have nothing to do with GL. It so happens that EU has been declared non-canon, but the two are not identical. But regardless of their canon status or not, the novels are NOT part of the EU output.
In any case, ANH wasn't written by George Lucas, it was Alan Dean Foster.
My bad ,it has George Lucas written as the author on the copy that I have. I do notice inconsistancies in the novelizations between them and the movies ,so I can see why they are not considered interchangable. I agree that canon really doesn't matter though ,except for debates like this. If it makes you happy to consider one part of a mythical universe more valid than another who am I to say that you are right or wrong? I personally look at it as one great story arc from the first book ,to the movies ,to the last book that I have read. There are parts that I have disregarded (Splinter) that simply don't fit ,but I enjoy them all ,for the most part.