What the heck is OB1 thinking?

i disagreed with my first point as well at first. but aside from the agruments that i already made for it in other posts, the sith musich plays in the background when shmi is on the screen. and if you look at the ceiling in the skywalker home, its got the same sith markings that maul tatooed on his face. sidious put them there to subconsciously prepare anakin to be a sith, to bring a dark side aura, if you will, into the room.

in addition, star wars movies follow a pattern, and things in episodes IV-VI are meant to reflect events in episodes I-III. ex: anakin losing his arm in AOTC, luke losing his hand in ESB. anakin and lukes lives are meant to parallel. in ANH, we thought there was no mystery to lukes father. in ESB, we had a big surprise. in TPM, we here that anakin has no father. riiiiiiiiiiight. lucas is not going to leave it at that.

sidious genetically engineered anakin to be the most powerful jedi ever, then placed him on tatooine, an outer rim planet so that the jedi could not find him at a young age and train him. anakin would grow up without being taught by yoda to learn to control his feelings. what do you get when you have a jedi with the highest midichlorian count whos emotions control his feelings and actions? you get a sith. the most powerful sith ever.

I'd go along with that - in fact I've mentioned something close myself so point in the past - except I don't believe Sidious would just leave Anakin without putting some sort of guardian or spy-observer in place. If Anakin is so central to Sidious' plans wouldn't he want to monitor his progress? Be able to step in if something went wrong and so on? And that would mean he would also probably have been informed when QGJ turned up. Surely somthing like would be worth reporting?

A worthy theory though, and one that would satisfy my need for a twsit.

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this doesn't compute with the prophecy of the Chosen One, if Anakin was cloned there was no theory...
And before you start, GL said that Anakin was the Chosen One and not Luke.

And someone having no father indicates that he is special, not that he is cloned...

Sorry Yerssot.

How silly are we! 🙁

bwahahahahaha!
kneel for your master!

Yes, I'm afraid that the whole 'no father, child of the MCs' thing is almost certainly to be taken as read. And Sidious engineering Anakin is WAY out there. This again is making Anakin's fall FAR too planned. It was NOT planned, not even by the bad guys. He should have been good. But something went wrong.

And yerssot is right, as the Chosen One, there is no way Sidious could have made him!

You're such a genius!! 😄

hey! I was first! ow... I see... the grin....

yessot, are you feeling left out?... It's ok sarcasm is always welcomed here.

WE'll give you the genius credit anyway.

We? nownow, who is getting delousions of grandeur?

unless you have a copy of the prophecy reguarding the chosen one, then you or i, or anyone else, cant say what the specific details are. at NO PLACE in TPM does ANYONE say that the chosen one would have no father. and if memory serves me, when qui-gon told the council about anakin, he didnt say a thing about anakins parentage. he said that he had found a vergence in the force. by saying sidious genetically engineered anakin, i am not debating that anakin is not the chosen one. he is, without any doubt. but we have no reason to beleive that the prophecy required that the chosen one have no father.

and even if it did. it would still be true. from a certain point of view. 🙂

but how can a profacy from years ago predict cloning?
and IF it's about cloning, why is the JC and all the other Jedis not cloning like crazy?

Look at QUi-Gon's conversation with the Council again, bigsef. Qui-Gon clearly tells them that it is possible that Anakin was conceived by the midi-chlorians, at which point Mace asks if he is referring to the Prophecy of the Chosen One.

Sorry, but there you have it.

i didnt miss that, i just didnt want to put too much in my post. "concieved by the midi-chlorians" is a rather vague statement when you think about it. we dont know how old the prophecy is, but its probably likely that whoever prophesied didnt know a think about genetic engineering, probalby because it wasnt around yet. suppose you are a jedi and you have a vision of a human being grown in some tank and planted in the womb of a woman, and you later see this person bring balance to the force. youd have NO IDEA what it was you were seeing. and if palpatine did create anakin this way, he OBVIOUSLY put alot of midi-chlorians in anakin, a very high concentration of them.

so, as i like to say, the prophecy was in fact true, "from a certain point of view." which brings me to another support for my theory. if you pay attention to the wording in ROTJ, ben says "youre going to find that alot of the truths you cling to depend largely on your own point of view." to me, that is a VERY signifigant statement. especially the TRUTHS YOU CLING TO. ben is making that statement to luke as if it is something he learned from personal experience. some truths obi-wan clinged to turned out to be false. until he decided to look at them from a different point of view. in ROTJ, hes passing along that wisdom to luke.

now i realize that this theory is just that, a theory. but i think theres something to it. we hear nothing of prophecys or chosen ones in the original trilogy. while you might argue that lucas hadnt developed those ideas before TPM, i would disagree. i think lucas had it planned out, and the reason they arent mentioned in the original trilogy is that the prophecy doesnt turn out exactly the way the jedi thought they would in TPM.

big, you can't insert midi-chlorians!

and the lesson he gave in Rotj was just because he "lied" to Luke about his father in ANH, do you think that Luke would go with him if he said the plain truth? don't think so...

Why is there nothing mentioned about the prophecy? because it turned out the biggest failure the Jedi ever had!

first of all, who says you cant insert midichlorians? they are "microscopic life forms." qui-gon took some out of anakin when he tested his blood. theyre microbes. you can move them whereever you want. so palpatine could have easily bred anakin to have lots of midichlorians.

secondly, you completely missed the point about obi-wan telling luke about the "truths we cling to"

finally, the prophecy was not a failure of the jedi. it just didnt turn out they way theyd thought

if you can insert midi-chlorians, you would get stupid results:
then everyone can get Force-sensitive, and everyone can get all powerfull... why isn't everyone Force-sensitive or a Force addict(ancient weapons and a lot of hockey religions are no match against a good blaster at your side; kid) ? Because it's impossible

Right, to deal with the inserting MC's thing...

yerssot is right. I mwan, you an LITERALLY take MC's and forcer them into other people, but it won;t do much.

Remember, the whole MC's thing is just about symbiosis and balance. Midi-chlirians are a SYMPTOMN of Force power, not a CAUSE.

The fallacy is to think that powerful Jedi have lots of MCs which then give them their force powers. This is NOT so, has nothing to do with balance and, as yerss says, you have stupid situations with people asking if you can steal a Jedi's power by having his MC's inserted into you. Which is preposterous.

The way it works is this: A person is born with force talent. THIS attracts midi-chlorians, who need people sensitive to the Force to live, and in return they help you translate that talent into practical powers.

Midi-chlorians are naturally occuring life-forms that live in harmony in their chosen environment. NO such lifeform actually creates the environment around it.

So if you insert MC's into someone they will just die or leave; if you take them from someone who should have them more will come back. And the MC's inserted into another's body would not give him powers; without the natural force power/talent/link they are useless.

The amount of MC's inside you will always adjust to the natural balane that belongs in your body.

So, genetically engineering somone to have MC's would have no effect.

That said, what we don't know yet is if you can genetically engineer someone to be powerful in the Force (which would cause that person to then attract MC's). So bigsef's theory is still possible.

But I still very much doubt it.

No offense intended, Ush, but I think that you have put just a little too much thought into all of this. I don't if GL has even thought this much about it. 🙁