a jedi never dies...

This came on a big french site:

28 décembre 2001

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QUI-GON JINN DANS ÉPISODE II ??
Liam Neeson aurait parlé d'Épisode II récemment... Une information significative fait suite aux questionnement de plusieurs fans sur le retour potentiel de Qui-Gon en hologramme. Si la source est fiable, Liam aurait dit (Spoiler, surligner pour lire):
"Je ne devrais pas en parler, mais disons le, un Jedi ne meurt jamais."
Qui-Gon devrait donc être dans les deux prochains Épisodes... Sûrement en hologramme... À qui seront destinés ces apparitions ? Obi-Wan ? Anakin ? 2002 apportera des réponses ;-).

gee, thanks. im sure the two people that read french will really appreciate that

Yeah, i don't read french and so yeah great!! 😄

As i've said before i think that ghosts only reappear to their aprentices and the important people in their lives, i.e. ob1 and luke, vader and Luke and Yoda and Luke, infact if you look at it, the only people that appeared as ghosts were too luke, perhaps he needed to see them, hence the trick.

ok. its more or less definative. qui-gon WILL be in Episode II!!! I dont have solid evidence, but there is a line of reasoning. First, we have Neesons afore mentioned cryptic statement:

“I’m not supposed to say anything,” he told me recently at the premiere of Iris, “but let’s face it, Jedi knights never die."

Now, we have this report from aldera.net:

The rumor he heard has to do with the scenes where Obi-Wan goes to the Jedi Temple to speak with Jocasta Nu about Kamino. As we know, Obi and Jocasta look at a couple holograms during their discussion and they talk about Dooku, mentioning Qui-Gon's name a couple times. Anyway, what my London counterpart "Johnny Turk" told me was that when Jocasta tells Obi-Wan about the Lost Twenty, she shows him a hologram of Dooku and Qui-Gon Jinn fighting alongside eachother. I gather the point of this hologram is to show the audience that Qui-Gon and Dooku were buddies, thereby making the audience all the more shocked at the end of the film when it is revealed that Dooku is now a Lord of the Sith. Johnny Turk also said that Liam Neeson was at Ealing Studios during the reshoots to do a couple takes with Christopher Lee - hence, Qui-Gon and Dooku fighting alongside eachother. He doesn't know if this rumor is true or not, so take it as you will.

In my mind, this nails the head in the coffin. whether the actual hologram idea is true or not, we know neeson shot footage, and with lee, at that

I think someone said this in the thread, but I'm not sure. And that is the fact that Qui-Gon, unlike all other Jedi who decease, did not disappear after death, we saw his body burning. My prediction to this is that only Jedi who disappear after death and take spiritual form return as "spirits", albeit the only one we truly see is Obi-wan undergo this but if anyone here is familiar with EU novels it goes for literature as well. Therefore, my conclusion to this is that Qui-Gon can NOT take spiritual form because his body did not disappear. Why didn't it disappear? Simple. His defiance of the Jedi Council kept him from being "one with the Force".

This doesn't mean that he will definitely not be in Ep. II. I love pondering the fact of ghosts vs. spirits. Ghosts are notorious for remaining because of an "unfinished task". Could this be that Qui-Gon might return as a ghost [rather than spirit] to try and obtain a status of being one with the force? Therefore he can take spirit form.

There is just one problem, what would be so significant about spirits rather than ghosts? Does a spiritual existance hold a significant well-being rather than a ghost? I don't want to indulge in a discussion of nirvana, but maybe someone can help me with this.

A point I would like to make is I fear GL's focus of maintaining a well-balanced plot. If he does have Qui-Gon return as a spirit (rather than ghost, haha) then it will only confuse any Star Wars fan that has ever understood the movies, because we know through ANH's plot that Jedi who disappear become spirits. (Whether or not they are one through the Dark or Light Side). Hence why Yoda, Anakin, AND Obi-wan all became spirits.

So, is there anyone who would like to improve my ghosts vs. spirits theory. I am open to questions, comments, and sarcasm.

comments: we should open a new thread about this!!!

Anyway, sorry 'bout the French, I was doing some French thingies at that point so I forgot to translate it!
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28th of December 2001

QGJ in EpII?

Neeson talked about EpII recently, a bit of info came up because a lot of fans were asking if he returned in a hologram-way.

Spoiler:
I can't say anything, but remember, a Jedi never dies."
QGJ will return in eP II and II certainly as hologram.. who will see him OB1? Anakin? 2002 will bring the answers

Anakin? no way! he doesn't know a thing!
And we all have to admit this rumors are growing stronger...

If he returns as a hologram, it's not an at-the-moment appearance then. Holograms are either previously recorded sequences for later discovery (Princess Leia recording her message in R2D2 in ANH) or a current transmission of one state of being to another location (Sio Bibble transmitting sequences to Padme's starship). Actually, those were previous sequences if you think about it. Either way hologram is possible, but doesn't remove that fact that Qui-Gon did in fact lose existance.

You can say Qui-Gon didn't die, but how come we saw his body burning?

Because he didn't disappear. I still believe and hope that the ghost thing and the disappearing and not directly related.

its looking now like qui-gon is dead and will stay dead. he will appear in a pre-recorded library hologram image, and thats it.

and I hope they leave him dead without screentime!

I can't believe you said that, as if you don't have any liking for him at all. Personally, I am proud Qui-Gon was known for defiance, it shows the Republic isn't restricted to codes and bylaws.

well... I said it 😄

pfff, he gets killed by an apprentice and then he is supposed to be cool and stuff???

qui-gons probably going to come back when obiwan is having a break down about this new pressure of being a master. similar to when Obiwan came back to luke when he was freaking out about being a jedi and this new respons. to kill his new found father.

thats my guess.

and.....................NO

but then, i dont like quigon. i think hes wierd. >😛

I'm feeling a bit of Deja Vu.....hasn't this discussion took place before.i'm pretty sure a couple of months back,people were talking about the same thing.
Whatever??...
Anyways i never have much to say,all i can say is qui gon will play a role which will finalise his character.

..Well i like Qui gon i think he's very kind,and he was a stable master with alot of time for other people.And he followed his heart,he's very much of a fatherly figure,his apprentices are his children not just his apprentices,thats the way i see it.

How did the rumor spread of him being back?
Because a rumor/spoiler has it

Spoiler:
Dooku and QGJ were budds?

I thought Dooku was his master?...maybe as much a fatherfigure to him as he was to his apprentices?..

Originally posted by yerssot
How did the rumor spread of him being back?
Because a rumor/spoiler has it

Spoiler:
Dooku and QGJ were budds?