The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Q99
Oh hey, ranking question- Dan's "travel from a long distance to possess someone," thing- anyone else think that's worth S-?

And we were talking about putting Madara w/wood and rinnegan up to SS+ (making him the only character there).

It's a pretty crazy jutsu as long as you don't find the real body I assume. It's got better reach than Ino's as well. It's hard to say after only seeing it once though.

Why would would Madara be by himself in power? He really hasn't shown anything that says that he is substantially stronger than Current Naruto or Tobi with rinnegan, Gedo, and the jinchuriiki. As of Now, even if you try to half the damage of bijuu-dama that naruto used against the 5 other bijuu, it looks to be the most devastating and largest display of power so far.

And aside from that jutsu, he does have Asuma-level stats.

Why would would Madara be by himself in power? He really hasn't shown anything that says that he is substantially stronger than Current Naruto or Tobi with rinnegan, Gedo, and the jinchuriiki.

The argument was, while Madara and WoodMadara have similar offensive power, WoodMadara has way greater versatility. He has his wood clones by the dozens, he has chakra absorption (which is very, very useful) and other Rinnegan powers, he has mass area effect sleep pollen.

He does, but again, how does that make him more powerful than Rinnegan Tobi with the jinchuriiiki. He can absorb chakra and he has the Kamui tech. His versatility is just as ranged as Madara's. Naruto has possibly the most powerful tech so far, barring the full extent of perfect Susano'o. He can now make BM and SM clones on top of KCM mode. I think those three are pretty much even at this point.

He does, but again, how does that make him more powerful than Rinnegan Tobi with the jinchuriiiki. He can absorb chakra and he has the Kamui tech. His versatility is just as ranged as Madara's.

The only mass-destruction moves he has is the biju balls, though.

Tobi's sharingan only gives the kamui move, and that's pretty much it for his normal move set.

Madara's gives Susano'o (and by extension, that means he has the two other mangekyo powers), plus he has all of his high-power fire jutsu, plus he has all of the wood jutsu which is a hugely versatile power set. He just generally seems to have more chakra/more power output too.

They both have rinnegan, but Madara has a lot more other moves, basically.

Most of Tobi's versatility comes from the paths, but that comes with the limit that take out that path and that power is gone, and we've seen that he can have some trouble with them running wild if he uses their powers too much, and when activating their tailed form they pretty much stop using their individual powers and go strait physical + biju ball.

Originally posted by Q99
The only mass-destruction moves he has is the biju balls, though.

So what? Madara has a meteor, Mokuton and the perfect susano'o. Naruto cancelled out Mokuton. That was before KCM. The fireball isn't enough to be devastating. If it is then so is FRS, which Naruto can use quite a few times now. Naruto also has so many variations of beast ball rasengans now that can be more useful than uber destructive techs. Are we forgetting that with SM clones alone he put down Kurama? He can pretty much do that outside of his mind now. Nothing Madara has done had been anymore impressive than what Naruto has done. Madara trolled 5 Kages. Naruto trolled 5 bijuu.

Originally posted by Q99
Tobi's sharingan only gives the kamui move, and that's pretty much it for his normal move set.

Madara's gives Susano'o (and by extension, that means he has the two other mangekyo powers), plus he has all of his high-power fire jutsu, plus he has all of the wood jutsu which is a hugely versatile power set. He just generally seems to have more chakra/more power output too.

They both have rinnegan, but Madara has a lot more other moves, basically.

Most of Tobi's versatility comes from the paths, but that comes with the limit that take out that path and that power is gone, and we've seen that he can have some trouble with them running wild if he uses their powers too much, and when activating their tailed form they pretty much stop using their individual powers and go strait physical + biju ball.

Tobi's Kamui has also just shit out enough shuriken and spikes to sever Bee's tentacle iirc. Besides, all he has to do is port inside Madara's perfect susano'o and warp away a part of his body. Enough time for him to be sealed. Besides, I think the paths>kages from has been shown. i'm sure his jinchuriki would beat some wood clones. Not too mention their combined bijuudama > dust release.

The only reason Tobi is doing wors than Madara is because of Kakashi kamui working in tandem with naruto's power. Naruto>5 kages imo.

If Tobi was fighting the 5 kage right now, they would still be trolled.

All in all, I just don't think there is enough difference between these three to give the nod to one over the other.

Madara is easily the strongest character in the series, sans the Sage himself. He is confirmed via Word of God not to have any weaknesses. The only reason Tobi could maybe compete with him is Kamui hax, and even that has a weakness.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Madara is easily the strongest character in the series, sans the Sage himself. He is confirmed via Word of God not to have any weaknesses. The only reason Tobi could maybe compete with him is Kamui hax, and even that has a weakness.

I just read the whole Bible, Torah, Qur'an, and Vedas and I know for sure that you're lying. God* didn't say that. uhuh

*Yes, I know you're referring to Kishimoto. But it is more fun for me to pretend you actually meant God because you capitalized the "g".

Besides, I think the paths>kages from has been shown.

I don't think so, Gai and Kakashi were holding them off fairly well.

Jinchuuriki seem to be about the level of a Kage.

i'm sure his jinchuriki would beat some wood clones.

Remember it's 25 to 6. And the wood clones were basically something he did while messing around, basically.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod

TvTropes capitalizes it. uhuh

Lol this reminds me of the time someone told Oda, the guy who writes One Piece, that he was wrong about one of his characters' age. He was all "Uh...I don't think that's up to you."

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Madara is easily the strongest character in the series, sans the Sage himself. He is confirmed via Word of God not to have any weaknesses. The only reason Tobi could maybe compete with him is Kamui hax, and even that has a weakness.

He hasn't shown enough to say he is easily the srtrongest person in the series. He trolled the kages. NBD. Tobi and naruto would each do the same thing. just as easily. Naruto's bijuudama would destroy all of them. Tobi would have just use kamui on all of them. Game over.

Originally posted by Q99
I don't think so, Gai and Kakashi were holding them off fairly well.

Jinchuuriki seem to be about the level of a Kage.

Not when they were bijuu. I remember them peeing themselves so to speak and needed Naruto to save them. The Kagess would be in the same boat.

Originally posted by Q99
Remember it's 25 to 6. And the wood clones were basically something he did while messing around, basically.

I'll take 6 Bijuu over 25 wood clones anyday. Hell, oonoki took them out with a dust release iirc. easily within the ability of the bijuu. Sorry, but I can't jump on the Madara bandwagon. naruto and tobi have been just as impressive, and they don't have the added boost of an ET ebhanced body.

Originally posted by socool8520
Tobi's Kamui has also just shit out enough shuriken and spikes to sever Bee's tentacle iirc.

The tentacles seem less durable than the main body.

It's just opens up possibilities about the tech. What else can he pull out of thin air? it also seems like it would be a lot harder to expect then say, Tenten's spam of weapons from a scroll. And of course he can just warp you out of existence. Which is pretty effective if you don't have S/T. When you couple that with his Bijuu and Rinnegan techs, I believe he is just as powerful as Madara.

Originally posted by socool8520
He hasn't shown enough to say he is easily the srtrongest person in the series. He trolled the kages. NBD. Tobi and naruto would each do the same thing. just as easily. Naruto's bijuudama would destroy all of them. Tobi would have just use kamui on all of them. Game over.

If Tobi could defeat the Kage with just Kamui, why not do so at the Summit? Naruto and Tobi are the closest in the manga to Madara(more Tobi than Naruto) but they lack the useful Mokuton techs to really push them forward. Madara's Susano'o is effectively stronger than Bijuu Bomb since it is hella spamable. He also has the Rinnegan techs that he shows himself more willing to use than Tobi.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If Tobi could defeat the Kage with just Kamui, why not do so at the Summit?

To be fair Tobi probably could have defeated and captured Naruto with Kamui when they met in the forest and he was mucking around with them. So its not like he doesn't have a history of doing that. The only reason he didn't I can think of is that Kakashi was there. Other than that it seems he was just fcking around.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If Tobi could defeat the Kage with just Kamui, why not do so at the Summit? Naruto and Tobi are the closest in the manga to Madara(more Tobi than Naruto) but they lack the useful Mokuton techs to really push them forward. Madara's Susano'o is effectively stronger than Bijuu Bomb since it is hella spamable. He also has the Rinnegan techs that he shows himself more willing to use than Tobi.

Probably the same reason why Madara has yet to kill the kages. Over confidence.

Mokuton was cancelled out by naruto's power before he had even completed his KCM mode. He could use feints and such to neutralize the spore tech. Also, we don't know how many times naruto can use his bijuu bomb. There is nothing to suggest it is only once. He hasn't used it because, right now, there isn't a point. Why waste chakra with a bijuu bomb on a target that will just phase out before it hits him? If naruto is fighting someone with no S/T justsu, he would probably make more use of mountain busting techs. Right now, conserving chakra with smaller, but still potent beast balls is the much better move.

Who needs mokuton when you can spam hundreds of clones with big ass rasengans, or SM clones with FRS (Naruto), or you can spam bijuu balls like Tobi? naruto was able to choke out 5 Bijuu with just chakra arms and knock them on their ass with a roar. It just seems like we are underestimating what he has done because of a big ass susano'o

Originally posted by socool8520
Probably the same reason why Madara has yet to kill the kages. Over confidence.

Mokuton was cancelled out by naruto's power before he had even completed his KCM mode. He could use feints and such to neutralize the spore tech. Also, we don't know how many times naruto can use his bijuu bomb. There is nothing to suggest it is only once. He hasn't used it because, right now, there isn't a point. Why waste chakra with a bijuu bomb on a target that will just phase out before it hits him? If naruto is fighting someone with no S/T justsu, he would probably make more use of mountain busting techs. Right now, conserving chakra with smaller, but still potent beast balls is the much better move.

Who needs mokuton when you can spam hundreds of clones with big ass rasengans, or SM clones with FRS (Naruto), or you can spam bijuu balls like Tobi? naruto was able to choke out 5 Bijuu with just chakra arms and knock them on their ass with a roar. It just seems like we are underestimating what he has done because of a big ass susano'o

No, Tobi pretty explicitly states that he wanted Sasuke to weaken them enough to capture them.

Stopping a tree attack doesn't mean he can stop it all together. And saying feint and such doesn't really change the fact that Madara has the skill and power to make Naruto inhale the spores. And there isn't anything to suggest it is spammable either. Naruto seemed to have had a recharge period in order to go back into his strongest mode. Madara has no such weakness.

Well, Madara can stop all of those attacks dead in their tracks except maybe the Bijuu Bomb(if Petra path can absorb those, he'd be untouchable but that is unlikely.) As it stands, Madara has fought the Kyuubi before so he'd know how to handle Bijuu Bombs.

Originally posted by socool8520
It's just opens up possibilities about the tech. What else can he pull out of thin air? it also seems like it would be a lot harder to expect then say, Tenten's spam of weapons from a scroll. And of course he can just warp you out of existence. Which is pretty effective if you don't have S/T. When you couple that with his Bijuu and Rinnegan techs, I believe he is just as powerful as Madara.

City leveling meteors.

Oh yea, let us not forget one other thing: He's a self-controlled Edo.

While normally, the Edo regen is cancelled out by the Edo's having less initiative than originally, being sloppier, actively aiding their opponents, or similar, Madara pretty much has none of those problems.

Madara is the only character confirmed to not have any weaknesses.