Originally posted by Astner
Both were tragic villains by circumstance, especially Madara who wants world peace.He's a tragic villain too.
Deidara? The guy was just a crazy ******* who liked blowing things up and was pissed off at Itachi. Madara wanting world peace doesn't mean shit. Theres nothing tragic about that. Do you even know what a tragic villain is?
To you maybe.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Deidara? The guy was just a crazy ******* who liked blowing things up and was pissed off at Itachi.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Madara wanting world peace doesn't mean shit. Theres nothing tragic about that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you even know what a tragic villain is?
Originally posted by marwash22
explain.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you even know what a tragic villain is?
Originally posted by Astner
It was his relation to Itachi that made him join Akatsuki, making him a tragic villain.A tragic villain is a villain who's malevolence primarily is rooted in circumstance, and not self-interest.
He was blowing things up and working for terrorists before he joined Akatsuki. Joining didn't make him a villain, he was a psycho before then.
Then why Madara, whose actions aren't from circumstance but his own screwed up morals? Plus he's a murderous, sadistic bastard, his malevolence comes from being evil.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He was blowing things up and working for terrorists before he joined Akatsuki.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Then why Madara, whose actions aren't from circumstance but his own screwed up morals?
If his reasons were to rule the world because he likes to feel important, then he wouldn't be a tragic villain.
Originally posted by marwash22
Asner doesn't know what a tragic villain is.Dunno how you can claim Danzo is a victim of circumstance.
Originally posted by Astner
Are you sure about that?His screwed up morals are circumstantial.
If his reasons were to rule the world because he likes to feel important, then he wouldn't be a tragic villain.
Why do you think they were recruiting him in the furrst place?
Nah. Having screwed up morals isn't enough to be a tragic villain or else all villains would be tragic.
Besides, imo his stated morals are complete bullshit. He's already shown that he's power hungry by trying to usurp power in Konoha. And he orchestrated the massacre of his own clan. The man is evil.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why do you think they were recruiting him in the furrst place?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. Having screwed up morals isn't enough to be a tragic villain or else all villains would be tragic.
Originally posted by Astner
How many villains in Naruto aren't tragic villains? The only ones I can think of are Hanzo, Hidan, Kakuzu, Zabuza, Zetsu, and maybe Orochimaru?
If you count Edos, then Ginkaku and Kikaku are not particularly tragic.
The Sound Four were non-tragic.
I wouldn't count Deidara or Madara or Danzo as tragic.
Are you sure about that?
Iirc that was how he got their attention to begin with.
Danzo is a tragic character- he's the Magnus the Red of the group.
All of his efforts as a character, including the attempted coup of Konoha, have been for the sake of ensuring peace and security for Konoha.
"Get power" isn't his objective. He already has power. He's the head of root and apparently the leading member of the village's council. He answers to literally no one except the Kage herself. There isn't much more power you can get past that point. As well, the man's like 70 years old- he'd only have a few years left to enjoy whatever power he has as a Kage anyway.
The only reason Danzo wants to become Kage is because he thinks that he's the only person in the village who is practical and committed enough to handle the situation and ensure Konoha survives. That makes him arrogant, but not evil. Similarly, his methods are cold, and often brutal, but that doesn't make him evil either, it makes him a jaded realist.