The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by zslick
ON top of that, Think about it.. They were repressed by the edo tensei so they werent technically full powered.

Originally posted by zslick
By sayind the third is better then the first, then that means the third can beat madara without any struggle. IS this what your insinuating sir?

It didn't take long for the third to blow up a leg and an arm of both the First and the Second. Which would pretty much have ended the battle if it wasn't for the Edo Tensei.

And they were also referred to as emotionless killing machines as Edo Tensei resurrections. Meaning that they didn't fool around.

Originally posted by zslick
If it is... I agree with aura... Your stupidity amuses me...!

Hashirama is the most capable Medical Ninja in the series, he could have healed that arm and leg. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hashirama is the most capable Medical Ninja in the series, he could have healed that arm and leg. 👆

Furthermore, this was Hiruzen when he was old. The fact that he was able to hold his own against the past Kage in their prime given endless chakra and stamina by the Edo Tensei as well as Orochimaru for as long as he did, and even defeat them by sacrificing himself proves that he's on another level.

Let's face facts. This was a ret-con.

i don't think it's a ret-con.

I always thought that Oro taking away their personalities meant that, yes, they were turned into "emotionless killing machines", but it also meant that they couldn't fight the way they'd like to... they were basically just using techniques without any strategy.

I really believe that had the 1st and 2nd had full control over the way they fought, they would have stomped him.

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Anyhow, like i said before, the source of the comment is Suigetsu.

I fully know it was a retcon.

It also is not a new one.

But the kage were toying with Hiruzen, as per Orochimaru's words. 👆

Guys the minute Madara pulled out his Final Susano'o the idea that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage was officially destroyed.

Originally posted by marwash22
i don't think it's a ret-con.

I always thought that Oro taking away their personalities meant that, yes, they were turned into "emotionless killing machines", but it also meant that they couldn't fight the way they'd like to... they were basically just using techniques without any strategy.

I really believe that had the 1st and 2nd had full control over the way they fought, they would have stomped him.

I agree.

Originally posted by marwash22
I always thought that Oro taking away their personalities meant that, yes, they were turned into "emotionless killing machines", but it also meant that they couldn't fight the way they'd like to... they were basically just using techniques without any strategy.

And you don't have to look further than the most recent battles to reverify that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
But the kage were toying with Hiruzen, as per Orochimaru's words.

"...as they toy with you."

Originally posted by AuraAngel
"...as they toy with you."

There's another translation out there that does not use "...as they toy with you..."

Also, Astner will find the original and will translate it and will be right. Mark my words. 😐

Senju are the anti-Uchiha. Just because Hashirama could take on Madara doesn't make him stronger than Saru. Saru stood up against Hashirama and Tobirama while in a very weakened state cause he was old, used a lot of high level jutsu, would have killed them if they hadn't of been edo tensei, split his chakra up three ways after using jutsu that weakened him even more, stayed alive while being effectively blind, and was able to seal them, and would have sealed Oro if not for a sword through the back. It was after Hashirama blinded him that the toying part was said also, and when they stopped using jutsu and attacked with taijutsu.

The manga had a jump in power, and the people in the past had a jump in power, doesn't mean Saru's weaker. It just means Saru would get scaled up with everyone else.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, Astner will find the original and will translate it and will be right. Mark my words. 😐

Besides, the links at the site I used to get my Japanese chapters from has expired.

Originally posted by Kento
The manga had a jump in power, and the people in the past had a jump in power, doesn't mean Saru's weaker. It just means Saru would get scaled up with everyone else.

Maaan....I sure ****in' hope so.

I like the "older male that's uber powerful" type in Japanese stories. It all started with Mr. Miyagi. He's also a perv which makes him the older, wiser, smarter version of me. 😐

Originally posted by Astner
It's not that important to me.

Besides, the links at the site I used to get my Japanese chapters from has expired.

You sunnuva biitch. Go find a raw and translate it, now.

That, or find the 2 other version out there. Try mangapanda: it should have a different version. There is another site that has another version of that translation. I am positive because I saw that same exact argument, in the past, and there ended up being no less than 3 different translations of it.

I don't really like using different translations because it doesn't prove anything other than that translations are different. For all we know either of the translation could be right, or both could be wrong.

I'd rather translate the original and explain it in such a way that it would be easy to understand and verify. It's just that it's a chore now when the Japanese scans aren't as accessible.

I would still like to know how Hashirama died.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I would still like to know how Hashirama died.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I would still like to know how Hashirama died.

He died of AIDS. He had lots of buttsex with Madara, who had AIDS. Madara hooked himself up to that tree so he wouldn't die of his AIDS.

Originally posted by zslick

If it is... I agree with aura... Your stupidity amuses me...!

He isn't being stupid when he says Hiruzen might have been better than Tobirama & Hashirama, but he is ignoring the fact that Part 2 has seen a skyrocket in the amount of power the top-tiers wield, leaving Sarutobi in the dust.

Originally posted by Kento
Senju are the anti-Uchiha. Just because Hashirama could take on Madara doesn't make him stronger than Saru. Saru stood up against Hashirama and Tobirama while in a very weakened state cause he was old, used a lot of high level jutsu, would have killed them if they hadn't of been edo tensei, split his chakra up three ways after using jutsu that weakened him even more, stayed alive while being effectively blind, and was able to seal them, and would have sealed Oro if not for a sword through the back. It was after Hashirama blinded him that the toying part was said also, and when they stopped using jutsu and attacked with taijutsu.

The manga had a jump in power, and the people in the past had a jump in power, doesn't mean Saru's weaker. It just means Saru would get scaled up with everyone else.

Hashirama besting Madara does mean he's better than Sarutobi when Madara's jutsu are leagues beyond what Sarutobi has displayed.
All the two Hokages used in that battle were a few low to mid scale jutsu (by Part 2's standards), and some taijutsu.

In any event, Hashirama could control Kurama. Sarutobi couldn't do shit to Kurama. That automatically means that Hashirama is superior to Sarutobi as he can use Kurama in battle. awesome

True. Sarutobi could easily get scaled up. If he isn't...lulz.

I understand the desire to want Hiruzen to be the strongest Kage cause he was a cool guy and the way the story went he overcame some really impossible odds. But that was then and this is now. It's been retconed. Been retconed for a while now really. Retconed decently enough if you believe that the Hokage were not trying to kill Hiruzen because Orochimaru was dicking around(and I do). The only thing that is off is Hashirama getting the same name as Hiruzen, which is stupid.

Then again I always like Q99's viewing the Kage at excelling in different areas. Tsunade the strongest, Minato the fastest, Hiruzen the most tactical, Tobirama the most inventive, and Hashirama having the most chakra and power out put.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I understand the desire to want Hiruzen to be the strongest Kage cause he was a cool guy and the way the story went he overcame some really impossible odds. But that was then and this is now. It's been retconed. Been retconed for a while now really. Retconed decently enough if you believe that the Hokage were not trying to kill Hiruzen because Orochimaru was dicking around(and I do). The only thing that is off is Hashirama getting the same name as Hiruzen, which is stupid.

Then again I always like Q99's viewing the Kage at excelling in different areas. Tsunade the strongest, Minato the fastest, Hiruzen the most tactical, Tobirama the most inventive, and Hashirama having the most chakra and power out put.

Yeah.

Q99's view and the fact that Hashirama is the strongest Kage/Hokage right now are not mutually exclusive. That said, Hiruzen was the most versatile as well. The only other Hokage who can give him some competition in that area is Hashirama.