The Official Naruto series Thread

Started by Damborgson1,600 pages
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Like Naruto I suppose.

Yeah, he can be considered too I suppose.

He is totally crazy because he is also delusional that some other thing wont fill the vacuum of power? The tailed beasts were deterrents to total war being waged before the village system. One person suffering versus children having to wage war constantly.

Yep. Suna certainly deterred war when they tried to drop Shukaku in the middle of Konoha.

Kind of reinforces his point, I think.

A war deterrent only works when both sides have it.

There have been 3 Great Ninja Wars lol. The Bijuu have not deterred a thing really lol. And all these wars happened over the course of a single lifetime.

That and will all the Bijuu one can enslave humanity. Apparently.

Well the 5 countries didn't have Biju in one of those wars, and I doubt Konoha could just throw their jinchuriki's at the problem. Then again none of the countries were actually nuked so it kind of worked out right? BTW did Iwa even have Biju access?

Don't you also need the chakra from Hagoromo's sons in tandem with the Biju?

Well the problem since the beginning was that Madara has been screwing things over since he lived and died. Pretty much everything bad going wrong was because of him and the mother thing of negative use of chakra. If those things were gone, since they are now then everything should be fine. The great ninja wars were all waged because of Madara and the black zetsu's meddling. They weren't because of the bijus causing the wars.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
He is totally crazy because he is also delusional that some other thing wont fill the vacuum of power? The tailed beasts were deterrents to total war being waged before the village system. One person suffering versus children having to wage war constantly.
Who gives a single **** about the reason for the Biju's existence?

What have the Biju ever deterred?

I know one thing: Their existence has started the biggest and one of the most destructive wars in Shinobi history. If they didn't exist, Madara wouldn't have been able to do nearly as much damage as he did. As Aura pointed out, there have been three Great Ninja Wars in a pretty damn short time frame. That isn't even counting the Kyuubi being used to ravage Konoha (Twice!) by Madara, or Gaara being forced into being a human weapon who killed countless people before his balls dropped.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Well the problem since the beginning was that Madara has been screwing things over since he lived and died. Pretty much everything bad going wrong was because of him and the mother thing of negative use of chakra. If those things were gone, since they are now then everything should be fine. The great ninja wars were all waged because of Madara and the black zetsu's meddling. They weren't because of the bijus causing the wars.
What's stopping someone else with Madara's ambition and prowess from doing the same though?

Sasuke is trying to be proactive. Instead of reacting to the Biju suddenly being used to **** shit up, destroy them so that they can't be used again.

That and while it is nice to blame all the problems in the world on Madara and Zetsu that actually isn't the case. Gaara's dad, Orochimaru, Danzo, and the Raikage still did kinda dick things to each other without Madara doing a damn thing. To say nothing of the Mist Village(though how much of this was Obito is unknown admittedly).

That is why I said the bijus are a deterrent to wackos like madara coming to power. I never said there wasn't other wackos but they pretty much were small fries with their eyes on taking tangible territory or revenge, not conquering the world. Up to the current arc it has been pretty stable. the last big war was in the last two generations but the current was doing fine stability wise.

and then came Akatsuki. And used the Bijuus.

I'd vote this psycho wonky-eyed Sasuke into office.

The akatsuki were a product of Madara because of the suffering he caused through war. Even Hanzo who was about to make peace with the Akatsuki was manipulated by Madara through Obito.

They were born from war, but their actions were their own more or less. Nagato had his own plans for the bijuu, and blaming others to for your purpose of existing really is pathetic.

"If that damn single-celled organism had just stayed in his place, there wouldn't be so much suffering right now!"

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
The akatsuki were a product of Madara because of the suffering he caused through war. Even Hanzo who was about to make peace with the Akatsuki was manipulated by Madara through Obito.

Obito had nothing to do with Hanzo. Literally nothing lol.

Double post but I don't really care.

I really like what Sasuke became. He's not completely invalid.

Yea, he's sounding better this chapter.

So Sasuke plans on becoming Lelouch? Jokes aside his response does have some solid ground to stand on. Nonetheless it really does look like Itachi was the only one immune to the Uchiha curse.

I think Sasuke's reason is stupid. It's pretty much the same thing as Madara wanted to do...and Danzo...and Obito...and Nagato.

Luckily, Kishimoto realizes this and puts that in the very same chapter (that it is pretty much what Madara wanted to do). Also, luckily, Naruto called out Sasuke on it and said it was dumb.

But, we should note the opposing sides are consistent with what Haggie said happened with his boys.

ALSO, Haggie said that making the "good" son the successor was a mistake so he sides with Sasuke.

ALSO....Haggie got that answer from Sasuke, already, and he knew this whole time what Sasuke had planned to do. That makes him bad, right?

Possibly, but aside from that, we still don't know his thoughts on the matter.