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Supposedly Toneri after awaking the Tenseigan was said to be as powerful as Madara; I'm wondering if they mean before or after he became the sage...

By the way, has anyone been able to uncover the link between the Hyuuga clan and the Otsutsuki clan? I think it may be in the Last Booklet, but it has yet to be translated...

I'm sorry - did somebody say something about a byakugan gun?

There was someone who made a review of the last that made it sound like that, but no; there is not a Byakugan "gun" to my knowledge--But there is a superweapon made of Byakugan, yes.

Basically, it's what dislodged the moon from orbit.

Isn't it Toneri who dislodges the moon by cutting it in half?

No, he uses the weapon to do so. He cuts the moon in half during his fight with Naruto, after absorbing the weapon's power and awakening the Tenseigan.

Tenseigan is basically to the Byakugan what the Rinnegan is to the Sharingan.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, he uses the weapon to do so. He cuts the moon in half during his fight with Naruto, after absorbing the weapon's power and awakening the Tenseigan.

Tenseigan is basically to the Byakugan what the Rinnegan is to the Sharingan.

Ah okay, in that case, I'd presume Tenseigan Toneri was being compared to Juubi Madara. Juubi-less Madara had ridiculous feats, but nothing he did was equivalent to cutting the Moon in half.

Based on what I read on Naruto wiki, Tenseigan is only akin to the Rinnegan in terms of prowess. It's acquired differently, as it doesn't seem to be a genetic evolution.

Tenseigan is an evolution of the Byakugan, just like the Mangekyou and Rinnegan is to the Sharingan.

I'd assume so too, but it makes no sense. Naruto isn't as strong as he was when he fought Madara-he's lost a chunk of his Biju Power and Hagoromo's Chakra-and even then he was outclassed.

So how is Naruto supposed to be an equal to Toneri at this point?

In a very basic sense, sure.

He no longer has the chakra of the other Bijuu or Six Paths Sage Mode?

Perhaps whoever said that Toneri was equal to Madara was engaging in hyperbole.

He no longer has the chakra of the other Bijuu or Six Paths Sage Mode?

Of course, the Biju gave him portions of their chakra, but that's temporary. By the end of the arc, he only had slivers of each's chakra left--which served as a way for the Biju to communicate, but nothing combat applicable. On the other hand, though, he has the full Kurama rather than half, for what it's worth.

And yeah, he lost the sun sign during the battle with Kaguya, and seemingly Hagoromo's chakra with it. He no longer has truth-seeking balls/etc., only normal sage Biju Mode.

Well naturally Naruto was worfed. Who wants to see Naruto at his most powerful in THE LAST movie? That would just be silly.

It also makes you realize Sasuke could end the plot by bothering to get involved with the villain in anyway.

Which still leaves him as one of the most powerful ninja of all time, of course!

Undoubtedly. But not strong enough to match a Madara-caliber Otsutsuki.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Of course, the Biju gave him portions of their chakra, but that's temporary. By the end of the arc, he only had slivers of each's chakra left--which served as a way for the Biju to communicate, but nothing combat applicable. On the other hand, though, he has the full Kurama rather than half, for what it's worth.

And yeah, he lost the sun sign during the battle with Kaguya, and seemingly Hagoromo's chakra with it. He no longer has truth-seeking balls/etc., only normal sage Biju Mode.

Was it stated that he only temporarily had access to their chakra?
Oh. Full Kurama should more than make up for the loss of the remaining portions of Bijuu chakra that Naruto had at least in terms of volume.

He lost the Six Paths Yang seal after the Kaguya battle, but that did not remove the Six Paths Sage Mode or the Truth Seeking Balls (he used those against Sasuke). IMO, he should still have the ability. Plot prevented him from using it.

Originally posted by AuraAngel

It also makes you realize Sasuke could end the plot by bothering to get involved with the villain in anyway.

I've read that Sasuke was only in the movie for like one scene. Pity. But that one scene was badass.

Was it stated that he only temporarily had access to their chakra?

Not directly, but it's strongly implied.

Full Kurama should more than make up for the loss of the remaining portions of Bijuu chakra that Naruto had at least in terms of volume.

Disagreed, really. 30% from 8 still beats 50% from one, even if that one is vastly more powerful.

On another note, volume isn't all that matters. He also lost the ability to use their chakra natures, which is a huge part of what made him so formidable.

He lost the Six Paths Yang seal after the Kaguya battle, but that did not remove the Six Paths Sage Mode or the Truth Seeking Balls (he used those against Sasuke). IMO, he should still have the ability.

The way I saw it was that he was basically using the leftover remnants of Hagoromo's chakra in his fight with Sasuke. In later works he has neither the Truth Seeing Balls, nor Jesus healing, nor the Sage's Senjutsu--he's back to Sage Biju Mode, only difference is that he has twice the Kurama power backing him up.

But on the flip side, he can contend with Toneri, who *supposedly* halved the moon. I'm not sure this is 100% credible, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not directly, but it's strongly implied.

Where?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Disagreed, really. 30% from 8 still beats 50% from one, even if that one is vastly more powerful.

Not really. It's made clear that Naruto had extremely small portions of their chakra, and Kurama's chakra level is implied to be equal to that of every other Bijuu put together.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
On another note, volume isn't all that matters. He also lost the ability to use their chakra natures, which is a huge part of what made him so formidable.

Yep, which is why I wrote "...at least in terms of volume."

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The way I saw it was that he was basically using the leftover remnants of Hagoromo's chakra in his fight with Sasuke. In later works he has neither the Truth Seeing Balls, nor Jesus healing, nor the Sage's Senjutsu--he's back to Sage Biju Mode, only difference is that he has twice the Kurama power backing him up.

But on the flip side, he can contend with Toneri, who *supposedly* halved the moon. I'm not sure this is 100% credible, though.

He lost the Yang-regeneration the moment the Six Paths Yang Seal returned to Hagoromo. Everything else (barring possibly the TSB, those are funky) should have remained. Sasuke's Rinnegan did not disappear.

Perhaps there's more context to the Moon thing than either of us is aware of.

Why does it take another man to steal our girl to realize that we wanted her in the first place.

I thought it was stated back in the past that the byakugan is a lesser form of the Sharingan so since Tenseigan is a lesser version of rennigan it would make sense naruto would at least be able to catch up.

I've always considered the Byakugan way cooler than the Sharingan. Save for all the weird "evolutions" the sharingan goes through.

No, it was never stated that the Byakugan was a lesser form of the Sharingan-in fact, in part one it was often depicted as the superior eye technique.

The Tenseigan is not a lesser form of the Rinnegan, it's the Rinnegan's counterpart.

Originally posted by zslick
Why does it take another man to steal our girl to realize that we wanted her in the first place.

I thought it was stated back in the past that the byakugan is a lesser form of the Sharingan so since Tenseigan is a lesser version of rennigan it would make sense naruto would at least be able to catch up.

It was stated that the Sharingan was descended from the Byakugan.

The Byakugan and the Sharingan aren't related, while the Tenseigan is apparently as powerful as the Rinnegan.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, it was never stated that the Byakugan was a lesser form of the Sharingan-in fact, in part one it was often depicted as the superior eye technique.

Often?
The two were only been compared once iirc (more specifically, Kakashi compared his own insight to that of a Hyuuga), and the Sharingan received more prominence after the Chuunin exams. 😛