That's another point that seems odd about Hokage Naruto's power. He should still have the fragments as it was a requirement for dispelling IT but if he lost the ability to use their power why does he have the bolted eyes w/o pigmentation that was the initial indication of six paths senjutsu? Did Kishi just think it was a cool design and keep it for the Gaiden/movie?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
That's another point that seems odd about Hokage Naruto's power. He should still have the fragments as it was a requirement for dispelling IT but if he lost the ability to use their power why does he have the bolted eyes w/o pigmentation that was the initial indication of six paths senjutsu? Did Kishi just think it was a cool design and keep it for the Gaiden/movie?
The fragments are definitely still there; Hagoromo stated they'd remain within Naruto. He just cannot use them as of The Last.
Not sure.
It's worth noting that he only has those eyes when he's using Bijuu mode. When he enters his Sage Mode, he has the regular Sage Mode eyes (with pigmentation) instead of the plus sign eyes. So it's not a Six Paths Sage Mode.
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Aura, I hate to inform you that I've decided that I might disagree with you again.
What's your argument again?
I've seen some of the Boruto movie (and from what I've seen, it is goood).
I think Momoshiki (w. Kinshiki absorbed) should be in SSS-, not SSS.
He relies far too heavily on absorbing ninjutsu. He is powerful, but not versatile; kind of akin to 8 Gates Gai.
Like NewGuy said, when he uses any absorbed ninjutsu, they are much more powerful than their regular versions. His chakra seeds/pills provide a massive boost to him and the ninjutsu he uses. However, it seems like the seeds are next to useless in combat unless he has ninjutsu to utilise, as that is his main offensive source.
He has no support abilities whatsoever. At least none that I can think of.
Without ninjutsu, he's got Kinshiki's weapon creation, Rinnegan chakra receiver rods, and very good physical stats (should at least be Kinshiki's equal in that department), but he was taken out (somewhat easily IMO) by a Naruto and Sasuke who were not at 100%. He couldn't recover until he was gifted some ninjutsu to absorb.
If he loses his right eye, he loses his main card. But on the flip-side, he does nullify enemy ninjutsu.
It's also worth mentioning that like Kaguya, his Rinnegan has the power to transport others to his dimension. And while in his dimension, also like Kaguya, he has the ability to assume complete control over the environment and can use it as a weapon.
Also, the seeds aren't useless without ninjutsu to use. They're still massive chakra pills that provide boosts in general that, if used in significant amounts at a time, can dramatically warp his physical form. (Kinshiki's fruit was a practical example of this happening, as was the muscle gain from the seeds he ate afterward)
Also, that Biju Bomb of Momoshiki's was the size of the Chuunin Exams Stadium. I don't think I'd be taking it too far to say that would have completely obliterated the Leaf Village with room to spare had Naruto not contained it.
What else, what else... I think that's it, tbh. That and you know, Byakugan. It's also very possible that after absorbing Kinshiki and obtaining the purple/blue Rinnegan, that along with the rods he awakened the other Six Paths techniques as well.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's also worth mentioning that like Kaguya, his Rinnegan has the power to transport others to his dimension. And while in his dimension, also like Kaguya, he has the ability to assume complete control over the environment and can use it as a weapon.
It's not really like Amenominaka though.
But fair enough, I missed Momoshiki using the Shinju and those rocks when fighting Naruto & Sasuke.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Also, the seeds aren't useless without ninjutsu to use. They're still massive chakra pills that provide boosts in general that, if used in significant amounts at a time, can dramatically warp his physical form. (Kinshiki's fruit was a practical example of this happening, as was the muscle gain from the seeds he ate afterward)
Kinshiki's absorption was a special case. I think I read something about their race doing that to one another.
If the chakra pills (sans ninjutsu absorbed) really were the game-changer they are when Momoshiki has ninjutsu absorbed, he'd use them more than he did.
It's telling that he only uses the pills when he's got some kind of ninjutsu to show off.
Not saying that it isn't a boost (it very definitely is), it's just that it is limited because he's limited by his opponent's arsenal.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Also, that Biju Bomb of Momoshiki's was the size of the Chuunin Exams Stadium. I don't think I'd be taking it too far to say that would have completely obliterated the Leaf Village with room to spare had Naruto not contained it.
A Bijuu-dama that he got from Gyuuki.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
What else, what else... I think that's it, tbh. That and you know, Byakugan.
A doujutsu he used once, I think; to confirm the location of Kurama. I don't think he uses it in battle at all.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's also very possible that after absorbing Kinshiki and obtaining the purple/blue Rinnegan, that along with the rods he awakened the other Six Paths techniques as well.
Probable, but highly unlikely that he knew how to use them, given his reliance on pills and absorption.
Seemed like he had the rods before his transformation?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's not really like Amenominaka though.
Sure.
But fair enough, I missed Momoshiki using the Shinju and those rocks when fighting Naruto & Sasuke.
Not to mention the Lava Bird.
Kinshiki's absorption was a special case. I think I read something about their race doing that to one another.
It does seem like it, but in the novel version instead of a fruit he transforms into 6 panacea pills. Which honestly makes more sense given that when Momoshiki absorbed Gyuuki with the same technique, he was also transformed into pills. (4 of them)
If the chakra pills (sans ninjutsu absorbed) really were the game-changer they are when Momoshiki has ninjutsu absorbed, he'd use them more than he did.
It's telling that he only uses the pills when he's got some kind of ninjutsu to show off.
They're not the same kind of game changer because he can't use them for any purpose other than augmenting his physical stats.
A Bijuu-dama that he got from Gyuuki.
Yes, though frankly that scene made no sense given that he already fired Gyuuki's Biju Bomb earlier in the movie. Either way, it's not really relevant.
Seemed like he had the rods before his transformation?
When?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sure.
?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not to mention the Lava Bird.
Right.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It does seem like it, but in the novel version instead of a fruit he transforms into 6 panacea pills. Which honestly makes more sense given that when Momoshiki absorbed Gyuuki with the same technique, he was also transformed into pills. (4 of them)
It likely wasn't the same technique. He basically vacuums up Kinshiki, body and chakra.
He absorbs just Gyuuki's chakra via touch.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yes, though frankly that scene made no sense given that he already fired Gyuuki's Biju Bomb earlier in the movie. Either way, it's not really relevant.
Indeed. Bijuu bombs are not a natural part of his arsenal.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
When?
He has a black rod whilst running away from Gaara & Darui, and he uses it to block Sasuke's attack.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Actually, now that I think about it, Momoshiki does have an energy attack of his own. When Sasuke goes in to distract him from Naruto's/Boruto's parent/child rasengan, he shoots these rapid fire dark red energy bullets.
Those looked like the chakra rods to me.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So...(Boruto/the Last) Naruto and Sasuke would be SSS- then?
No idea tbh. On the one hand, they're not as powerful as they were post Hagoromo ex machina, but on the other, they're more experienced now. Sasuke is also as fast as Kurama mode Naruto, if that's anything.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It likely wasn't the same technique. He basically vacuums up Kinshiki, body and chakra.
He did the same to Gyuuki; remember that he and Bee are separate entities.
Also, if you look closely during the Chunin Exam scene, Momoshiki's pill turns into a smaller version of that red fruit he turned Kinshiki I to before he eats it. I'm positive it's the same.
Those looked like the chakra rods to me.
Are you sure?