Originally posted by EvilAngel
Divine gift you say, from a more scientific approach it's an eye mutation.Mutation in the X-man uber hax way, but a mutation none the less.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I think of a "mutation" being something [B]genetic that will be passed on to the next generation. Rinnegan does not do that. Rinnegan is not a kekkai genkai, and is not passed on through relatives. You either have it, or you don't, and there are no apparent factors to having it. [/B]
If you've taken genetics, then you'd know that the eye mutation could be a recessive trait and, therefore, impossible to pass on unless the person he made babies with also had the rinnigan.
EvilAngel's logic is scientifically sound.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If you've taken genetics, then you'd know that the eye mutation could be a recessive trait and, therefore, impossible to pass on unless the person he made babies with also had the rinnigan.EvilAngel's logic is scientifically sound.
It's scientifically sound in the magical alternate universe where there's actually evidence it operates that way.
Originally posted by Kento
I think mostly disowning her and saying Hanabi was stronger, and was the one he's training to do so pretty much means he she wasn't ever. Hyuuga's are all about strength not just being older.Well it was found out by complete accident though. He just realized something and then tried it again to find it out. Also while he was able to hide from the Byakugan, and to stop Neji's kaiten he wouldn't be able to hide from Kiba's nose or stop Fang over Fang the same way.
Yea, Jirobu was pretty much the same as Chouji. Strong, dumb, and slow. Then Butterfly Chouji came in.
lol Well now we know it didn't come from the Byakugan. And technically the Sage creating the ninja world is a myth. Even Madara said that. He just contained the Jyubi, and sealed it's body in the moon. As for the Rinnengan..Who knows maybe it was. Just like the rest of the eye techniques. We still don't know everything about any of the dojutsu except that the Rinnengan and Sharingan are connected and really old with the Rinnengan only being around almost never. And Byakugan gets all left in the dark..Stupid Kishi.
At the moment she's stronger than Hanabi imo 😬. If they're about strength, then the moment Hiashi is no longer fit to lead, Neji would be the ideal candidate. However, Hinata is the heir-apparent by birthright, and Neji might not accept leadership because of that. Hinata would probably be stronger than Hanab at that momenti.
Meh, I'll drop this >__>.
Meh, I've forgotten the details. Even if he 'found' it by accident at first, though since he had to do something else to re-affirm his 'theory', it falls under 'figured it out' imo.
Chouji isn't dumb, at least, I don't think he is.
The Sage technically founded the ninja world as he was the first one to use and create ninjutsu, and he preached that secret around.
Kakashi also believed the SotSP never existed 😛.
The only reason I made that statement was to show that Kakashi wasn't exactly the most knowledgeable person around when it came to this stuff. Besides, I believe he stated that the Sharingan was said to have originated from the Byakugan.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Divine gift you say, from a more scientific approach it's an eye mutation.Mutation in the X-man uber hax way, but a mutation none the less.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I think of a "mutation" being something [B]genetic that will be passed on to the next generation. Rinnegan does not do that. Rinnegan is not a kekkai genkai, and is not passed on through relatives. You either have it, or you don't, and there are no apparent factors to having it. [/B]
Mutations do not always have to be passed on to descendants, ergo, your definition is incorrect.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If you've taken genetics, then you'd know that the eye mutation could be a recessive trait and, therefore, impossible to pass on unless the person he made babies with also had the rinnigan.EvilAngel's logic is scientifically sound.
You mean impossible for it to appear. Recessive traits can still be passed on, they just won't appear in the Phenotype if the dominant allele is present.
If that is what you meant, I apologize.
Originally posted by King Kandy
If it was recessive, it would not have been passed on to Nagato as he has no relation to anybody with a rinnegan.
We are referring to a mutation, not something passed down. If it were something specifically passed down, then it would be something like a kekei ghenkai.
Specific mutations can show up in a species' population and even show up in almost mutually exclusive groups, but still be the same species and similar mutation.
This is what the Rinnigan is.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's scientifically sound in the magical alternate universe where there's actually evidence it operates that way.
W....what?
We're talking about a mutation, not what it does. 😐
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You mean impossible for it to appear. Recessive traits can still be passed on, they just won't appear in the Phenotype if the dominant allele is present.
If that is what you meant, I apologize.
No.
By "pass on" I mean the activation of the trait via gene pair.
Think of Type O negative blood.
Edit - Wait, saw what you said in the second part of your post. Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixPerhaps. We shall never know though. I think Neji does it though but it's a pointless argument eh.
At the moment she's stronger than Hanabi imo 😬. If they're about strength, then the moment Hiashi is no longer fit to lead, Neji would be the ideal candidate. However, Hinata is the heir-apparent by birthright, and Neji might not accept leadership because of that. Hinata would probably be stronger than Hanab at that momenti.
Meh, I'll drop this >__>.Meh, I've forgotten the details. Even if he 'found' it by accident at first, though since he had to do something else to re-affirm his 'theory', it falls under 'figured it out' imo.
Chouji isn't dumb, at least, I don't think he is.
The Sage technically founded the ninja world as he was the first one to use and create ninjutsu, and he preached that secret around.
Kakashi also believed the SotSP never existed 😛.The only reason I made that statement was to show that Kakashi wasn't exactly the most knowledgeable person around when it came to this stuff. Besides, I believe he stated that the Sharingan was said to have originated from the Byakugan.
Well he was testing out one thing, and found out another. lol So it's still good but not something he could do with Kiba.
Chouji isn't exactly smart.
I wonder where in the world Kakashi could have heard the Sharingan originating from the Byakugan. Though I guess he does say something about it's origin lying with the Byakugan. But still nothing has ever been said about the Byakugan at all or any ties to the Sharingan.
Let me just clarify and expand on my statement.
By recessive traits, I meant alleles. The allele for Rin'nengan can still be passed on, but the Rin'nengan will not appear if it is a recessive trait and a dominant allele is present.
So it also means that two parents who do not have the Rin'nengan could have a child with the Rin'nengan, provided the parents each have the recessive allele.
It further means that both parents would have to have at least one copy of the allele or the Rin'nengan to have a child with the Rin'nengan.
Is that what you meant >__>?
Originally posted by dadudemon
We are referring to a mutation, not something passed down. If it were something specifically passed down, then it would be something like a kekei ghenkai.Specific mutations can show up in a species' population and even show up in almost mutually exclusive groups, but still be the same species and similar mutation.
This is what the Rinnigan is.
Evidence Rinnegan is a mutation: Zilch.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Let me just clarify and expand on my statement.By recessive traits, I meant alleles. The allele for Rin'nengan can still be passed on, but the Rin'nengan will not appear if it is a recessive trait and a dominant allele is present.
So it also means that two parents who do not have the Rin'nengan could have a child with the Rin'nengan, provided the parents each have the recessive allele.
It further means that both parents would have to have at least one copy of the allele or the Rin'nengan to have a child with the Rin'nengan.
Is that what you meant >__>?
Originally posted by King Kandy
[B]Evidence Rinnegan is not a mutation: lack of apparent link to genetics, no indication it is passed on in any way (recessive or dominant), association with "mystical" properties, that descendants of the disciple with the sage's eyes, had the sharingan rather than rinnegan.Evidence Rinnegan is a mutation: Zilch. [/B]
Evidence Rinnegan is a mutation: lack of apparent link to genetics (should be rephrased to hereditary link but I have to keep it in your terms for the desired effect), no way to derive an indication that it can even be recessive or dominant due to lack of progeny from rinnegan possessors, exhibits specific properties that seem to adapt the user better to his environment, the mutation seems to be specific to males but the sample is only 2 deep so an empirical conclusion to gender specificity specific is almost impossible, that the rinnegan is definitely a mutation due to the descendants of the original possessor having the sharingan and the sharingan being passed down with apparent ease; however, it is not known if the sharingan is also recessive. Also, we don't know if the Rinnegan is rescessive or dominant due to the lack of children from either user.
BUT, and this is a big but, there is no way to tell what kind of MUTATION this is beyond it being a MUTATION.
Evidence that the Rinnegan is not a mutation: zilch. I can't think of any reason why it is not a mutation. Even the mutation causing mystical abilities, it's still a mutation that apparantly shows up every 1000 year period. 😬
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh come on. What are the odds, that for hundreds of years the world was swarming with rinnegan carriers, but only once, in all of history, did two of these people have a child who was an active carrier?
Quite simple, really. It is a probability and the probability works out that every 1000 years, a rinegan user is born.
That does mean, however, that it could be 5000 years or just 1 year. Hell, two could exist at once.
This is where the "mystical" property comes into play. We could pretend that the presence of the rinnegan user, himself, causes a specifc type of alteration to the genetic code that takes 1000 years or 50 generations to "breed-out" the effects from. AHA! It could be some sort of unique chakra "leakage" that causes this delay for 50 generations. And, it's global. Just the same as the new moon eye technique is global, there's something about the chakra being global. Keep in mind that even "chakra seers" like the hyuga clan could not see the chakra strings that controlled Pain's bodies.
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Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Let me just clarify and expand on my statement.By recessive traits, I meant alleles. The allele for Rin'nengan can still be passed on, but the Rin'nengan will not appear if it is a recessive trait and a dominant allele is present.
So it also means that two parents who do not have the Rin'nengan could have a child with the Rin'nengan, provided the parents each have the recessive allele.
It further means that both parents would have to have at least one copy of the allele or the Rin'nengan to have a child with the Rin'nengan.
Is that what you meant >__>?
Exactly.
But, that means we would have to account for only one couple possessing both recesssive alleles in order to produce the rinnegan phenotype.
Double edit - By one couple, I mean only one couple produces the rinnegan user ever 50 generations...instead of a bunch. Cause, if only one couple can breed the rinnegan user, then there has to be a mechanism to produce him. Maybe it's the strange chakra dissipating that allows it to happen...still....50 couples could produce the rinnegan user...
damn, we ccould talk this thing all over the place if we wanted to.