If it was a mutation, it COULDN'T be being passed down because NEITHER USER HAD KIDS! There was, indeed, a THIRD user of the rinnegan, the second disciple who fathered the uchiha clan... and guess what? They didn't inherit the rinnegan! Wow, that sure proves the rinnegan is a mutation, the kids who were born from it somehow spontaneously got a completely different eye technique with completely different properties.
Originally posted by King Kandy
If it was a mutation, it COULDN'T be being passed down because NEITHER USER HAD KIDS! There was, indeed, a THIRD user of the rinnegan, the second disciple who fathered the uchiha clan... and guess what?
I think I see why you're not getting it.
Here, read this again:
"Specific mutations can show up in a species' population and even show up in almost mutually exclusive groups, but still be the same species and similar mutation."
You seem to think that the mutation has to be passed down for it to occur again when it doesn't.
Originally posted by King Kandy
They didn't inherit the rinnegan! Wow, that sure proves the rinnegan is a mutation, the kids who were born from it somehow spontaneously got a completely different eye technique with completely different properties.
That's exactly what that means. 😬
That shouldn't be surprising because it's the eyes.
Think about it....
Eye color is one of those things that seems to "mesh" when parents with different eye colors make babies. Green and brown make hazel. Dark dark brown and light brown make a color inbetween. However, it takes a blue and a blue to make a blue. In this we have the solution. 👆
Originally posted by King Kandy
It could certainly appear again, but the fact that it has been specifically shown via the uchiha clan that it is NOT passed down, shows it is not a mutations.
That's exactly what it does NOT show.
What is hard to understand about it being a recessive trait? It's obviously an recessive trait as you just proved it with your disciple example.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's exactly what it does NOT show.What is hard to understand about it being a recessive trait? It's obviously an recessive trait as you just proved it with your disciple example.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Quite simple, really. It is a probability and the probability works out that every 1000 years, a rinegan user is born.
Indeed. Chromosomes (therefore alleles) can combine in a set number of ways. That number is a probability factor.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Exactly.But, that means we would have to account for only one couple possessing both recesssive alleles in order to produce the rinnegan phenotype.
Double edit - By one couple, I mean only one couple produces the rinnegan user ever 50 generations...instead of a bunch. Cause, if only one couple can breed the rinnegan user, then there has to be a mechanism to produce him. Maybe it's the strange chakra dissipating that allows it to happen...still....50 couples could produce the rinnegan user...
damn, we ccould talk this thing all over the place if we wanted to.
So we disagreed on a misunderstanding then >__>.
In other words, it is tied to a genetic factor, as well as another factor? As it is with the sharingan (genetics + emotion [loss]).
Perhaps we should drop the mutation discussion until MOAR evidence is gathered?
Originally posted by King Kandy
If it was a recessive trait, the children would have had no special eyes at all. Instead, they got the sharingan. And it can't be that the eldest disciple had both genes in him; if that were the case, the sharingan would be dominant, and he never would have manifested the rinnegan.
No, it could be that that particular phenotype only occurs when two rinnegan parents make babies. And a lesser form appears when a non-rinnegan user breeds with a rinnegan user. AHA!
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Indeed. Chromosomes (therefore alleles) can combine in a set number of ways. That number is a probability factor.
Badda boom. 😉
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So we disagreed on a misunderstanding then >__>.In other words, it is tied to a genetic factor, as well as another factor? As it is with the sharingan (genetics + emotion [loss]).
Perhaps we should drop the mutation discussion until MOAR evidence is gathered?
lol
Yeah.
And, yes. MOAR EVIDENCES! scream
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, it could be that that particular phenotype only occurs when two rinnegan parents make babies. And a lesser form appears when a non-rinnegan user breeds with a rinnegan user. AHA!
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This might be un-related to the discussion, but it is possible that the Sharingan is simply a watered down version of the Rinnengan. It is also possible that the Sage knew about the Sharingan.
Additionally, the similar appearance of the ten-tails eye, may shed new light on the origin of the sharingan.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Cool, but you realize that a bold claim like saying the sharingan is a lesser rinnegan, would actually need evidence to support it. And additionally, if a rinnegan and non-rinnegan begets sharingan, then sharingan users, could not have passed it down themselves. Inless the uchiha clan is seriously inbred.
I thought the Uchiha and Hyuga clans WERE very inbred?
And, yeah, a watered down rinegan sounds about right.
As for the Sharingan.
I read somewhere a LONG time ago....about 2 years to exact, that the sharingan is linked to a tailed-demon that doesn't exist anymore. I've been thinking about that every since this last chapter. Though it hasn't been stated that the sharingan COMES from that demon, a link between the beast (ten tails) and the sharingan has been drawn, now. It makes me wonder how that website got that information 2 years ago. My homie, Chris, showed me the website. I can't find it and I can't find a reference to that, either......it's possible that that fan website updated their crap and deleted that...which is why I can't find it.
But, anyway, they could have just been guessing and got frighteningly close, or Kish said something about it 2 years ago.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Badda boom. 😉
Badda bing...
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, it could be that that particular phenotype only occurs when two rinnegan parents make babies. And a lesser form appears when a non-rinnegan user breeds with a rinnegan user. AHA!
This could perhaps be further strengthened by the plate that Madara was talking about.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's possible that he knew. But there's absolutely nada supporting that notion.Additionally, the similar appearance of the ten-tails eye, may shed new light on the origin of the sharingan.
Indeed. I was just basing it on the plate. If anything, it would prove that Sharingan's clarity perception is the most inferior apparently. I wonder if the Byakugan's is better than the Rinnengan's.
The inner circle of the Juubi's eye was an exact copy of the sharingan. The outer circles could perhaps parallel the MS and the EMS. Far-fetched, but meh, all we can do is speculate.
Polluted/watered Rin'nengan does sound better to me at this point.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Badda bing...This could perhaps be further strengthened by the plate that Madara was talking about.
YEAH!
That makes perfect sense since the plate had to be read by a sharingan user AND a rinnegan user to get it all!
That makes PERFECT sense! I think you're on to something.
Why would the sage make something like that? It's because both had to exist at the same time...from say.....sharingan children?!?!?!
Originally posted by dadudemon
YEAH!That makes perfect sense since the plate had to be read by a sharingan user AND a rinnegan user to get it all!
That makes PERFECT sense! I think you're on to something.
Why would the sage make something like that? It's because both had to exist at the same time...from say.....sharingan children?!?!?!
I think it's obvious the sharingan came from the rinnegan, but I doubt it's because of merged genetics (not an accurate term, but you know what I mean). Most likely, the ten-tail's chakra influenced the rinnegan to change and become more like the eye of the beast itself.
^ As it stands, I see three options.
a) The Jyuubi polluted the Rin'negan to give the Sharingan.
b) The Sharingan is a watered down version of the Rin'nengan.
c) The Sharingan is a version of the Jyuubi's eye scaled down to a human level (I'll try to explain this if none of you get it)
Originally posted by dadudemon
YEAH!That makes perfect sense since the plate had to be read by a sharingan user AND a rinnegan user to get it all!
That makes PERFECT sense! I think you're on to something.
Why would the sage make something like that? It's because both had to exist at the same time...from say.....sharingan children?!?!?!
Actually, the sharingan could decode a bit (apparently the part about the MS being able to control the Tailed beasts...MOAR evidence that the Sage knew about the Sharingan?) with the MS being able to decode more, and the Rin'negan could decode all of it.
Though yes, the Sage could have known about the Sharingan. As I said before, its a possibility.
Originally posted by dadudemon
As for the Sharingan.I read somewhere a LONG time ago....about 2 years to exact, that the sharingan is linked to a tailed-demon that doesn't exist anymore. I've been thinking about that every since this last chapter. Though it hasn't been stated that the sharingan COMES from that demon, a link between the beast (ten tails) and the sharingan has been drawn, now. It makes me wonder how that website got that information 2 years ago. My homie, Chris, showed me the website. I can't find it and I can't find a reference to that, either......it's possible that that fan website updated their crap and deleted that...which is why I can't find it.
But, anyway, they could have just been guessing and got frighteningly close, or Kish said something about it 2 years ago.
It most likely was speculation. Unless Kishi posted it, or revealed his plan to someone who posted.
~ Looks like the Byakugan is indeed small-time. Kishi has indeed left it in the dark as Kento said.
EDIT:
This is a little thread about tailed beasts and is a nice read imo.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=57918
~ It feels weird how a little comment by me, followed by a comment from Kento and then King Kandy sparked this whole discussion >__>.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
EDIT:This is a little thread about tailed beasts and is a nice read imo.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=57918
~ It feels weird how a little comment by me, followed by a comment from Kento and then King Kandy sparked this whole discussion >__>.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixlol Yea it does.~ It feels weird how a little comment by me, followed by a comment from Kento and then King Kandy sparked this whole discussion >__>.
Personally I'm in the view that the Sharingan seems to be just a watered down Rinnengan. Maybe Byakugan was what watered down the eye to become the Sharingan and that's why it's origins lie in it? Probably not but Byakugan can't just get left in the dark can it? I mean..besides the fact it has ever since MS came to be.