Originally posted by Kento
Eh, but Samehada trying to protect Bee? That's just...bah.
It's a sentient beast that lives off and senses chakra. The Eight Tails has more chakra than anything alive right now, barring the Kyuubi. Samehada has absorbed a crap load of chakra from Bee and yet Bee still has a lot of it. Paints a pretty clear picture on who is the better source of chakra for Samehada imo.
Originally posted by King KandyThat's even assuming Bee would want the sword, or Hachibi would willingly give up a ton of chakra just to feed it. Bee doesn't want to fight he wants to be a singer, Samehada would have to live off him. And it seems eating his chakra awakens it and turns it into something that just wants to feed. Not a very good thing for Bee at all or Hachibi.
Why not? Probably more efficient to find someone with an endless chakra supply and live off of him symbiotically than connect to some bloodthirsty loon and hope he runs into people tough enough to feed you.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixStill not something I'm all yay about. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Kisame got it the same exact way because he's a chakra powerhouse also. But with Kisame it can get its fill without going all beserk, and is with somebody who will feed it the chakra of countless others, and wants to. The sword isn't something that would work well with Bee even if Hachibi kept lending him chakra to feed it.
It's a sentient beast that lives off and senses chakra. The Eight Tails has more chakra than anything alive right now, barring the Kyuubi. Samehada has absorbed a crap load of chakra from Bee and yet Bee still has a lot of it. Paints a pretty clear picture on who is the better source of chakra for Samehada imo.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Not to mention, Samehada pulled off multiple tails and Kirabi didn't even care. He has more where that came from. That's one of his best showings imo, shows how completely insignificant it is to amp for him.
Well, Kirabi by himself doesn't. He had to borrow Hachibi's chakra for Ver 2. Like you said though, it's a good feat, on the Hachibi's part, and indirectly, on Kirabi's part.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I wonder.If the Samehada has conciousness like this i wonder if it's capable of planning.
By which i mean, maybe it wants for Kirabi to use it so it can drain on his Chakra while Kisame attacks himself. I haven't seen the spoilers, how surprised does Kisame look?
It's a possibility, but it seems more sentient than sapient to me, thus incapable of planning like that. If anything, Kisame might have known that Samehada would have responded as it did, and planned accordingly.
Originally posted by Kento
Still not something I'm all yay about. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Kisame got it the same exact way because he's a chakra powerhouse also. But with Kisame it can get its fill without going all beserk, and is with somebody who will feed it the chakra of countless others, and wants to. The sword isn't something that would work well with Bee even if Hachibi kept lending him chakra to feed it.
The swords of the 7 swordsmen have all been "passed down". If Samehada was in fact Kisame's forever, Suigetsu wouldn't be going after the sword.
Kirabi is bound to run into his fair share of opponents, and those opponents are also a source of chakra. In the hands of someone like Kirabi, it becomes a monster on a different and higher scale imo.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Kisame is powerful, but without Samehada, he wouldn't have lasted this long against a serious Kirabi.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
that doesnt really matter though does it because the sword is obviously a parasite and doesnt care what happens to the host. eight-tails didnt ask the sword for help it just chose him...
It's a symbiotic relationship. Samehada can also lend chakra that it takes from someone to the wielder.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well, Kirabi by himself doesn't. He had to borrow Hachibi's chakra for Ver 2. Like you said though, it's a good feat, on the Hachibi's part, and indirectly, on Kirabi's part.
Originally posted by King KandyDidn't he ask Hachibi for chakra during the Kisame fight? Wouldn't that sort of prove Killer Bee's and Hachibi's chakra are different. Out of the three hosts we know, two of them we know had/have chakra separate from their beasts why would Killer Bee be different? Hachibi is just more willing to give it.
It's all Hachibi chakra anyway... it's a feat to Kirabi's credit as unlike Naruto he can just pull out chakra from hachibi whenever and however he wants. So hachibi feats=kirabi feats.
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelI guess anything is possible, who knows Kisame may still end up keeping the sword though
that doesnt really have anything to do with the sword attacking kisame though is what i mean. the sword doesnt know that hachibi might reject it.something i could see kishi doing is having eight-tails somehow master the sword or something. -shrug-
Originally posted by King KandyWhy keep around something that would constantly leech off your chakra though?
Why not keep it around? It's a good souvenir at least. Besides, he owes it one now.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThe passing down of the swords if completely different than Suigetsu getting Zabuza's sword, or Killer Bee getting Samehada though.
The swords of the 7 swordsmen have all been "passed down". If Samehada was in fact Kisame's forever, Suigetsu wouldn't be going after the sword.Kirabi is bound to run into his fair share of opponents, and those opponents are also a source of chakra. In the hands of someone like Kirabi, it becomes a monster on a different and higher scale imo.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Kisame is powerful, but without Samehada, he wouldn't have lasted this long against a serious Kirabi.
If he continues protecting his village for Raikage yes, and against Madara's whole 4th Ninja War sure. But if Killer Bee does what he wants he wouldn't really run into anything, except maybe low level idiots that can't use chakra.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, that's the complete opposite of the truth.And even if that was true, pulling out cloaks of tailed-octopus chakra means he's using hachibi chakra.
By 'did not overlap' I meant that they each had their own chakra.
True enough.
Originally posted by Kento
Didn't he ask Hachibi for chakra during the Kisame fight? Wouldn't that sort of prove Killer Bee's and Hachibi's chakra are different. Out of the three hosts we know, two of them we know had/have chakra separate from their beasts why would Killer Bee be different? Hachibi is just more willing to give it.I guess anything is possible, who knows Kisame may still end up keeping the sword though Why keep around something that would constantly leech off your chakra though? The passing down of the swords if completely different than Suigetsu getting Zabuza's sword, or Killer Bee getting Samehada though.
If he continues protecting his village for Raikage yes, and against Madara's whole 4th Ninja War sure. But if Killer Bee does what he wants he wouldn't really run into anything, except maybe low level idiots that can't use chakra.
They are all passed down in fights anyway, I think. Meh, it's possible that Suigetsu is just running after the swords for himself. Bottom line, is that Samehada isn't just for Kisame and that Kisame could have just killed the previous wielder and taken Samehada 😛.
If Samehada found a better source, it would try to stick with that one instead.
Though we should probably reserve our judgement until the chapter comes out. Or even the next one >__>.
How do you know he won't run into anything? Madara may come after him. Kisame found him. Someone else could 😬.
Besides, even Kirabi is not without some form of compassion/honor. He tried to protect that Tanuki for crying out loud. I'd think that he'd help his brother during a time of war.
lol at those who think Samehada's wielders feed him chakra. The sword isn't going to be getting -all- of Killerbee's chakra like it just did, makes no sense. Does the sword thing that Killerbee would walk around with 10% chakra all the time? Does Kisame? Of course not. Being with someone in Akatsuki is the best deal that Samehada can get. Going with the guy who has the most chakra makes -ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE- since Samehada needs to fight them. If he doesn't fight them, then he won't be seeing much chakra. Leaving Kisame, whose mission is to fight these guys, is stupid.
Killerbee was out of chakra after a couple of swipes. People might claim he didn't care, but he would have died if the 8th tail feeding him more chakra.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixI know it's not but going with somebody who doesn't really want to fight isn't the logical choice. The fact it is just a symbiote and wants to eat his chakra is all fine and dandy but that's not going to last long if Killer Bee isn't using chakra for it to eat or fighting to eat it.
They are all passed down in fights anyway, I think. Meh, it's possible that Suigetsu is just running after the swords for himself. Bottom line, is that Samehada isn't just for Kisame and that Kisame could have just killed the previous wielder and taken Samehada 😛.
If Samehada found a better source, it would try to stick with that one instead.
Though we should probably reserve our judgement until the chapter comes out. Or even the next one >__>.How do you know he won't run into anything? Madara may come after him. Kisame found him. Someone else could 😬.
Besides, even Kirabi is not without some form of compassion/honor. He tried to protect that Tanuki for crying out loud. I'd think that he'd help his brother during a time of war.
Kisame has a chakra sensing sword to find him but when the war starts he'll be busy fighting no-name fodder and secondary characters for the most part, if he lives.
Isn't the whole plan of the Kage's to hide the demons?