Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah, perfect sense, like I said.Unless, of course, it was a secret that Madara controlled the Kyuubi in both his attack attempts against the village. (I'll skip the convo and just say it, now: it was a secret the second time, but not the first time.)
Nah, not perfect sense, like I said.
The Uchiha believe it was the Mangekyou Sharingan that helped him control the Kyuubi. Could be that Orochimaru likely believed the same.
Also, how exactly does controlling a beast completely with one's eyes equate to forcefully shutting down its chakra when it is in a Jinchuurikii? Madara's never demonstrated anything of the sort, and only Hashirama was stated to have the ability to quell the Beasts.
The Kyuubi was actually very surprised that Sasuke could suppress its power, despite it earlier thinking that Sasuke was just like Madara. Could be that even Madara couldn't suppress its power the way Sasuke did.
Then there is Orochimaru stating that even though Naruto was using the power of the Kyuubi, he still wasn't near Sasuke's level. Wouldn't make sense for him to include the 'power of the Kyuubi' bit if he knew Sasuke could just cancel out the 'power of the Kyuubi'.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't cheat! It was second release seal Sasuke! 😠 😠 😠
One Tailed Naruto fought Base Sasuke for a bit. Sasuke could react to him, but the chakra cloak was unpredictable. Naruto still couldn't put Sasuke down though. He took a few shots from the chakra cloak and one from Naruto's fist. Granted, he was in Stage one when he was hit by Naruto's fist, but he still wasn't hurt in the slightest. He changed to S2, and was implied to be equal to OT Naruto. Then he proceeded to whoop Naruto with his super-duper awesome charged Black Chidori. vin
Originally posted by dadudemon
Was that in the anime, only? I don't remember the back and forth in the manga.If it was, it is an obvious plot hole in the writing as no one trained to use sage-chakra would almost immediately turn to stone once absorbing it. (The imbalance of their own chakra to the sage chakra with no knowledge of how to balance it out would cause every single ninja minus sage-mode trained ninja to turn to stone, very shortly after they absorbed the sage chakra.
Manga.
Sorry brah. I believe you are mixing up your concepts.
It's only when one cannot balance Natural Energy with the other two components of chakra, that they turn into a stone Toad. Too little NE, and you are unchanged. Too much, and BAM! Instant Toad Garden Accessory.
Sage Chakra (or at least, Sage Chakra from a True Sage like Naruto) is, at its core, just like Regular Chakra. The only difference is that while Regular Chakra is a perfect balance between Physical & Spiritual Energy, Sage Chakra is a perfect balance between Physical, Spiritual & Natural Energy. If anyone absorbs perfectly balanced Sage Chakra, they would simply get perfectly balanced Sage Chakra.
If anything is a plot-hole, it's that the Preta Path was turned into a Toad by absorbing already balanced Sage Chakra, when he should have entered Sage mode. ha-son
EDIT: Slight corrections.
Naruto states that the energy of Nature isn't easy to handle. Once a person can control Natural energy, they can basically even control how it exits one's body. I'm guessing Naruto transferred a lot of Natural energy to Preta Path, and that since it couldn't balance it out properly, turned to stone.
Alternatively, Naruto drew in a lot of Natural Energy, to deliberately unbalance his Sage Chakra. The only reason he did not turn into a Toad is because the Sage Chakra was absorbed too quickly.
Either make sense IMO. The latter makes more sense considering that Pa states Naruto's Senjutsu chakra was absorbed.
If one cannot control NE and has too much of it, they turn to stone (Happened to Preta Path). The only way to draw in NE is to stay absolutely still (Naruto was immobilized by the Preta Path).
Originally posted by dadudemon
If Naruto reverted, I'd say it was just Naruto running out of Sage chakra, not it being absorbed. Agreed?
Nope. Naruto outright stated that he was losing energy, and he then realized that his Sage Chakra was being absorbed.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That also reminds me: if absorbing large amounts of chakra heals you...wouldn't going sage mode heal sage users? (Think Kisame). OR, is that a trait specific to Kisame because of a blood line limit he has?
Dunno. He just transfers chakra from Samehada to himself, and regens. It's like Tsunade and her Creation Rebirth Jutsu I guess...except a lot more inefficient since he's not a medic nin.
Originally posted by dadudemon
hmmOkay. I agree to everything you've stated. Yes, I did think about it, and, yes, I do indeed agree with it.
Awesome. Now I don't have to pwn j00. 313
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm still hanging on to my theory that the black zetsu births off the white ones.
Or could be that both Black & White Zetsu were created by Madara/Tobi, and that the BW Zetsu is slightly different since he is Case Zero.
Kabuto refers to the original Black/White Zetsu as just 'Zetsu', and Madara refers to the other White Zetsu as 'Zetsu' too.
Even the 'original' White Zetsu is different from the other White Zetsu in certain ways, which leads me to think that the White Zetsu growing in that Sanctum, and the White Zetsu that is normally seen, are different.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Or could be that both Black & White Zetsu were created by Madara/Tobi, and that the BW Zetsu is slightly different since he is Case Zero.
Kabuto refers to the original Black/White Zetsu as just 'Zetsu', and Madara refers to the other White Zetsu as 'Zetsu' too.Even the 'original' White Zetsu is different from the other White Zetsu in certain ways, which leads me to think that the White Zetsu growing in that Sanctum, and the White Zetsu that is normally seen, are different.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixnot really, as the influx of natural energy naruto was absorbing is unknown.
If anything is a plot-hole, it's that the Preta Path was turned into a Toad by absorbing already balanced Sage Chakra, when he should have entered Sage mode. ha-son
we all know naruto's personal chackra level is higher than almost all ninja in the manga, so taking in a lot of natural energy is not as dangerous for him, but hungry ghost runs on (it's safe to say) less chackra than him
Originally posted by psycho gundam
not really, as the influx of natural energy naruto was absorbing is unknown.we all know naruto's personal chackra level is higher than almost all ninja in the manga, so taking in a lot of natural energy is not as dangerous for him, but hungry ghost runs on (it's safe to say) less chackra than him
Originally posted by psycho gundam
not really, as the influx of natural energy naruto was absorbing is unknown.we all know naruto's personal chackra level is higher than almost all ninja in the manga, so taking in a lot of natural energy is not as dangerous for him, but hungry ghost runs on (it's safe to say) less chackra than him
So long as he either does not absorb too much, or balances it out with his Physical and Spiritual Energy, he's safe. The Path absorbs chakra, not NE, and unless Naruto was sending him NE, the Path only turned to stone because the chakra he absorbed had far too much NE in ratio to PE & SE, or the absorbed chakra's NE component finally outweighed the PE & SE in his own body.
As for the Path entering into Sage mode, I was kidding. 😐
Originally posted by Q99
Also, due to being drained, Naruto's other energy may be lowered, and since he was topping off with Nature, it'd be Nature that Preta'd absorb the most of.
Yeah, basically got all that here:
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
EDIT: Slight corrections.
Alternatively, Naruto drew in a lot of Natural Energy, to deliberately unbalance his Sage Chakra. The only reason he did not turn into a Toad is because the Sage Chakra was absorbed too quickly.Either make sense IMO. The latter makes more sense considering that Pa states Naruto's Senjutsu chakra was absorbed.
If one cannot control NE and has too much of it, they turn to stone (Happened to Preta Path). The only way to draw in NE is to stay absolutely still (Naruto was immobilized by the Preta Path).
Kind of sucks that Nagato's body is still a skeleton even with Edo Tensei.
Just wondering but why doesn't Kabuto bring back Konan and Yagato just for kicks? I mean, he brought back Dan and some random Root guy back so why not them too.
Oh! and somebody shoudl really dig Hidan up so he can prove that he isn't a one-trick pony like everyone believes.