UK Tuition Fees!

Originally posted by Corran
Ush, I think the conservative plan could be quite a good one with a little tweaking, here is what I would suggest:-

Remove the tuition fees and narrow the places that are available for free, those that have the highest grades qualify for the free places, that way we will be getting the cleverer people higher education regardless of their financial situation, this would stop some of the clever people who cannot afford to go to Uni slipping though and having to forego a higher education. It would also mean that anyone wanting to go to Uni for free would have to try harder at school. Make all the other places available at a higher cost, then the little rich kids who think they are clever and just don't want to go to work yet and get mummy and daddy to pay for their education and this extra funding would help the educations system be bettered.

Exam grades do not qualify intelligence. I have been accepted onto Creative Writing because they have seen my work, and spoken to me, and believe I am a good student. If they went on my grades, I would not get in, because I do poorly in standerdised testing. Most of the great minds in history were not considered conventionally clever when young. St. Mary's agreed to let me in with two c's for A level because they liked my work, and realise that I am not capable of getting the high grades other universities ask for. For that, i applaud St. Marys

Originally posted by cermiestar
one - one of my mum's friends went there
2. i live really near there!

Thats so cool! Maybe I'll see you next year when I go there!

Education is a selection process, a decriminative one for that matter! And thats a fact! Teacher behaives differantly towards children from different class! Thats a fact too! Grades do not determane your intelligance as Pohe said already...Certain groups of children are more encouraged than others.

It is the tution fees that have put me off from going to university, instead i am going to opt for the HE (Higher Education) course my college do, its more convinient also as i can still keep my job, its only a 2 minute cycle from my home and im familiar with the surroundings.

Its also ironic that Tony Blair and co are 'upping' OUR tution fees when they had THEIRS paid for by the Goverment.

Ush is right, the money has to come from somewhere, and why not from the people who are going to benefit at the end of it. ✅

The loan only has to start being re-payed once the earnings are up to about £15k per annum, which isn't a particularly high wage but should be enough to cover repayments and leave enough to survive. Lets not forget that some of these Uni grads will be very high earners, maybe even 40% taxable, one day.

try going to USC (university of souther california). It costs roughly $27,000 per year to go there. I'd love to figure out what that is in pounds, but i'm not THAT into this thread. And LiL B....good luck w/ law school.

Thanks...😄

Its just when you look at those figures its...kind of scary, if you know what i mean. Im going to take a mortage for a house as well, adn i dont want to think how much im going to be in debt all together, but i guess everyone has to pay them, its just....really...a lot of money 😖

thats about £12,000 link...

Did everyone see Blair fluffing his way through that thing yesterday? I didn't, but read about it!

He should try being middle-class and not get any benefits and yet receive all the hinderances of rich people, without the richness. If that makes any sense at all.

Anyway, he's PM. He's got loads of money. And then there's his wife that earns more than he does.

Never mind. Hopefully, I'll get into university before they put the charges on... That means it shouldn't affect me half way through, right?

😛ANIC:

I had it on the tv while i was on here and he was blatantly losing. He was repeating the same thing over and over about maintanance loans. My point about the lack of doctors because people like me can't afford to become one came up and he said the same thing. *in a whiny voice* ' you get a £3000 support package blah blah, maintanance loans blah blah, pay it back in 12 years or so blah blah blah blah bloody well BLAH!!!'

I watched the newsnight programme, and thought TB held his own quite well.

Lets put this into perspective for people.....I have a friend who finished with around £13'000 student loan debt, she only pays £20 back per month. Thats all, £20, so the repayments are hardly likely to prevent anyone living a normal life, and mortgage and loan applications don't even take into account student loan debts.

£20! I've lost that in a fruit machine at the weekend. 🙄

if its like that its no big deal

Its hardly worth getting stressed about, and besides most student spend their loans in the pub anyway. 🙄

🙁ok everoyne no need to jump at my neck for it, i was just saying that it sucks that the tuition fees are going from £1,225 up to £3,000 a year, and that im going to be in debt that much money at the end of the third year...it kind of sucks to know you are going to have to pay off back that much money being in a situation that i am now...moneyless and seeing that i might have to pay off £30, 000 at the end of that is kind of frightening for me and is a major put off. And im surely not the only one in whole of the UK thats been put off by these tuition fees increases, as the many demonstration all over the place will suggest that quite few people dont like the idea.

Most of you have had your degree and are paying off the loan now and have good jobs, but please do remember that i am looking at it from a different perspective than you are. I never had a job that payed £20,000 or more a year!

If it's really £20 a week as mech suggest, then I really don't think you would notice the difference.

But on the other hand, I don't like the idea of being in debt for the next 30 years...

I'm sorry Lil, I didn't mean to sound unsympathetic. But I still think its fairer than having working class people's tax increased to get more money into the Uni's. Which is desperately needed if we're to keep up with the other nations educational standards.

Even though the fee's are going up, the repayments are laughable IMO. The only problem most people will have is being up to (or over) £30k debt when they leave Uni, but its not like there's any major pressure to pay it off because after 25 years, the unpaid figure gets written off.

😖 I thought you are gonna have to pay it off anyway...no matter how long it takes...(even if its more 25 years *shudders*)?

👆 I didnt mean to moan either, but it was just after we had a cnferance at Student Union about this...

I think they just write it off after 25 years.

Did you join the SU lils? Every time I enrolled they tried to talk me into joining, but they looked like such a bunch of losers I always said no!

Well to be honest it was something a little stronger than that.

Once I even used that "pretend to look in your pockets for your card" thing, then pulled nothing out except the finger. How I laughed to myself on the drive home. 😂

😂 haha!! You amuse me Mech!! 😂

Well..it was kind of one of those stupid things...im not officialy enroled...in not officialy enroled in anything 😖 (lazy arse) it was one of the trial thingys and i wanted to see and.....

OK, OK... there was a hot guy there..so i kind of sat there pretending to pay attention...then never came back!! 😮

Thats fair enough, I have a friend who enrolled into an engineering course at 18 only because the girl at the engineering desk at college was really hot.

He's now about 30 and has always hated engineering. 😂