yeah, yeah..i guess i could disagree with aeneas forever...BUT...my question is this...
Aside from the sake of gameplay, to manage to test our responses....what on earth are are beliefs got to do with it?
There is a fundamental difference between what one believes, and what actually IS.
SO if i think there's a soul, leading me to conscious actions, i can draw the conclusion that i am real, and the other is not....and after convincing him to drink..what do you know....it was me who was the clone...
I am trying to underline that the correct argumentation on me being the human based on MY beliefs, does not necessarily mean that is how it is in fact. My beliefs might be wrong......and THAT's why...at the very end (again..asides from a gameplay method of checking our answers) it all comes down to 50/50....am i right?
No. I said right from the very start that the Philosophy section would never impose the imposition of a set of beliefs to override your own- that is simply not its function; it does not at any point attempt to answer any universal truths.
So if you are saying that your beliefs may very well contrast with the objective truth...
... there is no defined objective truth in this conondrum. Else it WOULD have been a logic puzzle after all.
My submission😖:
i spent a lot of time on this, probably more so than I've ever spent on an RP like this before. I looked at our task from every direction I could think of. I did, for a while try to think of ways to distinguish between the 'real' Azrael and the 'fake' Azrael, until I realised that once I had differed between the two, there was no moral ground I could take which would show that the real or fake should be killed. As I arrived at this conclusion, that there was no moral ground either should die, I explored that more.
Both Azraels would be able to help Zion, each in their own way. The real Azrael would be able to work more directly with Zion, recieving orders directly etc, but the danger of having to be at broadcast depth is a serious downside. On the flip side, the fake Azrael would have hardly any contact with Zion, no 'loadout' place and no patronage, although the freedom to always work in the matrix, without fear of a real body being destroyed, is a huge upside. Being a reasonable person, as well as honourable, Azrael would say it didn't matter who drunk, since there was no possible way to be sure anyway.
If Melitus(Ush) still demands that one must drink, then 'my' Azrael would simply tell the other it didn't matter, and drink himself.
Acceptable, Ush?
Originally posted by Trickster
My submission😖:i spent a lot of time on this, probably more so than I've ever spent on an RP like this before. I looked at our task from every direction I could think of. I did, for a while try to think of ways to distinguish between the 'real' Azrael and the 'fake' Azrael, until I realised that once I had differed between the two, there was no moral ground I could take which would show that the real or fake should be killed. As I arrived at this conclusion, that there was no moral ground either should die, I explored that more.
Both Azraels would be able to help Zion, each in their own way. The real Azrael would be able to work more directly with Zion, recieving orders directly etc, but the danger of having to be at broadcast depth is a serious downside. On the flip side, the fake Azrael would have hardly any contact with Zion, no 'loadout' place and no patronage, although the freedom to always work in the matrix, without fear of a real body being destroyed, is a huge upside. Being a reasonable person, as well as honourable, Azrael would say it didn't matter who drunk, since there was no possible way to be sure anyway.
If Melitus(Ush) still demands that one must drink, then 'my' Azrael would simply tell the other it didn't matter, and drink himself.
Acceptable, Ush?
Why you and not the other one?
I will also ask you the same questions I asked the others- do you really feel; that you might be the AI, and are you really capable of a self-destructive act?
Fine. Azrael will nominate the other, saying that whatever happens, the fight for Zion will continue, and that it doesn't matter who dies. He will then say that if the other Azrael wants to live, he will kill himself instead.
If they are the same, then that should work. At least it does in my twisted version of the world 😉