USH'S MATRIX GAME FOURTH ASSIGNMENT (PHILOSOPHY PATH)- 'The Journey'

But I also understand that that may not be the case. Try not to think of it as I believe I am the real one, but more so I hope that I am the real one. Just as my counterpart does. But we must also entertain the fact that we may verywell not be the one. It is a real possibility and a truth that must be established if we are to decide anything.

I think you are massively missing the point...

Even though you intelletcually realise you may not be, you THINK you are. The absolute last thing you will do- after all other options- is actually terminate your own life. There is absolutely no argument that could be advanced that will make you do that.

While it may be the last thing, it is not somethign I would never do. It is still a possibility. No?

Not one you would take; other options exist.

Well if they do, then I should be able to look for them.

I gave you one- refuse to drink.

That means death, and I dont want that, so I have to try something else.

You don't have anything else.

Hey Ush, I remmeber we dicussed what made a decision valid or invalid. Meltius was pretty key on establishing that. We all agreed that a decision based on false information was invalid. Even if the information was withheld. It wasnt valid because we did not fully understand the situation.

Doesnt that apply to meltius' question on whether we would choose to understand Jericho or not. We chose to try and understand him, not to be in a position where our lives would be possibly threatened w/ death. Meltius witheld that from us. Not only that but he also misled us on the results of drinking the wine. That makes the deciisoions we make here, and all the decisions we have made thus far, quite invalid yes?

He's not asking you right now if you understand Jericho though... and I seem to remember you ALL arguing that your choice there was valid! In any case, you all chose to follow Jericho's Path, and that is what you are doing. You pretty much got what you asked for.

It so happens there IS a get out clause related to validity but it is not available to any of you still playing.

Okidokey, final close off for this will be midnight BST at the end of Saturda/start of Sunday.

I seems like its only been me and rade, and azreal doing this...bleh..and for all that work i doesnt even look like im gonna live, that kinda blows...bleh..

Yup, it is you three.

the problem i have, apparently, is that i fully accept the possibility of me actually being the clone. That seems to be my undoing..because....in doing so, i would commit suicide at the slightest hint of me being the clone....but lacking one, i cannot find anything to lift me above pure chance 😬

I believe rob schnider said it bst..."were all gonna die...."

Ok, Rade, you are happy to self-terminate if you are the Clone. Yet you cannot find in your reasoning any form of distinguishment at all?

That's odd, becauyse you ARE distinguishing. You are choosing to drink on the idea you have the 'initiative'. From an objective point of view, this is NOT random- it is simply ignorant. It is almost certainly not 50/50. You cannot say with any certainty that there is a 50/50 chance that this means you have got it right or wrong because you cannot advance any criteria via which an distinction can be made and so therefore you have no idea WHAT the odds are. Say there might be some very important reason that makes you the clone, that you have simply missed. In which case, drinking yourself actually gives you a 100% chance of success. You have not fouind such a reason but nor can you prove that no such reason exists, because basically you cannot advance anything at all.

(Do remember that that die rolling for real/clone thing is info I have given you OUTSIDE the game; it is not a way in which your characters are thinking)

You have chosen to distinguish on a criteria that is seperate to the issue of who is the Clone. Are you happy to self-terminate on THAT criteria? If so, why? As it sees, that is not leaving it to random chance, but to another concept entirely- hope.

If you can turn the answers to such questions into a viable submission, that works a hell of a lot better than, say, flipping a coin. However, "I will simply hope I am right" doesn't count as engaing either, if you were thinking of taking an easy way out...

Castor, perhaps I might better put the point this way- the only circumstance under which you would self-terminate is if you KNEW you were the clone. But you have no way of knowing that. Therefore you will not self-terminate.

yeha..you got the 'hope' part right.

but ..my problem is finding a reason for me being the clone or not...kind of hard when i cannot distinguish any difference.

and what other criteria could i approach.....one on distinguishing the clone..and one in distinguishing the real person.....the RSI

Don't feel compelled to totally change tack, Rade- especially with so little time left. A better rounded submission expalining why you feel justified in killing yourself on such an apparently trivial criteria WILL be accepted and will most likely score better than random chance.

As for your other points... if you cannot distinguish the two on any criteria then I amnot in a position to help you- for some peoole this is simply inevitable. You will have to accept defeat on that point and not make a submisison that invovles a difference, which you kind of have though I can tell you are not happy with it.

yes..that's what i have to work on.proving that my choice of drinking isn't random..when in fact IT IS 🙂

i MIGHT come up with a difference (even if only coding structure) between the clone and the rsi...BUT i cannot distinguish the difference between ME and HIM..if you get me...