Originally posted by Cherrÿ
Eh. It's possible.Though it's not quite as easy as it used to be. I will say I'm thrilled with the no - stun maces. (:
And yeah, I saw the damn mount drop twice, both time's with guildies who got it.
Yeah .. mace stun spec was ridiculous
I've seen so many undeserving people snag the HHM's Mount.. like I'm not talking about people who've been 70 for some time... I'm talking about people who just hit 70 in trash-greens with HHM's Mount... me and my guildies ran him like everyday since Hallow's started and didnt see it drop once... I did get the silly sword though.. should I need to tank it has great dps and decent stam
as for pallies.. I'm not sure if you're equating time with difficulty... cuz even though it only takes me like.. a few extra seconds to finish people off.. they still die just the same
what I dont get is why moonkin or arcane isnt getting nerfed.. they're the ones doing the most tremendous damage in every BG
The only thing that really pisses me off is the "I can do whatever the f*** I want while immune to anything you can throw my way" bubble. Should be nerfed back to the days of old, where you either had a decision to heal up or keep the other guy in combat.
I beat retadins with the warrior without terrible amounts of trouble still. What I do is charge, Reflect their first judgement, disarm them, switch back to 2H and bladestorm, then go back into defensive, activate shield block and spam Revenge and MS.
I can beat a lot of retadins with this strategy, one scrub even blew his bubble, Lay on Hands, even a Healing Pot.
Still beat him.
They buffed MS warriors too which is really awesome. Sudden Death procs a lot more now in serious arena, Bladestorm breaks all forms of slow, stun, and CC when activated. I expect I'll get nerfed soon however.
Gorx's Armory link is in my signature.
I really have no trouble at all with wars... like only a protection warrior gave me a good fight.. and it came down to a hair but I still killed him.. I believe my bubble was on CD
as for judgements.. I think those are melee attacks and cant be reflected.. cuz I cant judge while BOPed (no melee allowed in BOP state)
in any case.. I've laid waste to many fail ret pallies that bubble and think I care... I just wait for it to end and finish what I started
heres my pally : http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Satosa they didnt update the page since halloween apparently
Originally posted by DarkC
The only thing that really pisses me off is the "I can do whatever the f*** I want while immune to anything you can throw my way" bubble. Should be nerfed back to the days of old, where you either had a decision to heal up or keep the other guy in combat.
Originally posted by DarkCthe problem with this is, i usually stun right away (of course) if it doesnt work i use repentance, so there goes that reflect
I beat retadins with the warrior without terrible amounts of trouble still. What I do is charge, Reflect their first judgement, disarm them, switch back to 2H and bladestorm, then go back into defensive, activate shield block and spam Revenge and MS.
Originally posted by MairuzuJudge of the Martyr...you will have many corpses at your feet... also blessing of freedom pwns the shit out of those two classes
Still loving my Ret.
The only people I have a problem with fight now are pretty much only mages and hunter somewhat...
seal of command / judge command is garbage
Originally posted by SaTsuJiNYeah, It was. And Pallies havn't been nerfeed as much as they have been credited. Anyone who can play their class properly deserves to be called OP, and if you've got it you've got it. 😉
Yeah .. mace stun spec was ridiculousI've seen so many undeserving people snag the HHM's Mount.. like I'm not talking about people who've been 70 for some time... I'm talking about people who just hit 70 in trash-greens with HHM's Mount... me and my guildies ran him like everyday since Hallow's started and didnt see it drop once... I did get the silly sword though.. should I need to tank it has great dps and decent stam
as for pallies.. I'm not sure if you're equating time with difficulty... cuz even though it only takes me like.. a few extra seconds to finish people off.. they still die just the same
what I dont get is why moonkin or arcane isnt getting nerfed.. they're the ones doing the most tremendous damage in every BG
One person I passed it for. Good friend of mine....and I have Deathcharger anyhow. ( though, bs, they raised the drop rate. I felt so special...lol. )
&& yeh my best friend went Boomkin for that.
Originally posted by DarkC
The only thing that really pisses me off is the "I can do whatever the f*** I want while immune to anything you can throw my way" bubble. Should be nerfed back to the days of old, where you either had a decision to heal up or keep the other guy in combat.I beat retadins with the warrior without terrible amounts of trouble still. What I do is charge, Reflect their first judgement, disarm them, switch back to 2H and bladestorm, then go back into defensive, activate shield block and spam Revenge and MS.
I can beat a lot of retadins with this strategy, one scrub even blew his bubble, Lay on Hands, even a Healing Pot.
Still beat him.
They buffed MS warriors too which is really awesome. Sudden Death procs a lot more now in serious arena, Bladestorm breaks all forms of slow, stun, and CC when activated. I expect I'll get nerfed soon however.
Gorx's Armory link is in my signature.
Thats real similar to my rotation. But thanks to a changed raid sched I really can't 'switch MS spec for the weekend' anymore, so If I feel the PvP need I beeline for the huntard 😛
And agreed. I ****ing hate bubbles....they have become god-mode 😛 ( and I love how the summonable argent soldiers bubble hearth out- LOL. )
Originally posted by Cherrÿ
And Pallies havn't been nerfeed as much as they have been credited.
nice little "mockumentary"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwpyHvElBkg
Originally posted by SaTsuJiNhehehe...
nice little "mockumentary"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwpyHvElBkg
I do so love consecrete...
Originally posted by Mairuzu
but let me be more specific, arcane mages
Blessing of freedom to nullify their stupid fail-slow and fail-frost nova as you cram your 2 hander in every crevice they own..
then when you force them to blink.. cast repent immediately after they reappear, then whoop that ass with a judge martyr, then hit them with a hammer of justice, crusader strike, divine storm, judge , hammer of wrath
*image of mage stomped into the ground*
(we'll just pretend its a tauren mage 😉 )
Arcane mages save their trinket for Repentance and Blink for the Hammer of Justice.
Plus, if you just Blessing of Freedom right off the bat they can just vanish and wait until the Blessing is up, then come out of Invisibility and re-Slow you and happily dance around spamming their instant casts until you die.
Arcane mage with cooldowns >>>>>>>>>>>> Ret Pally with cooldowns, end of story.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Oh you mean that whole 12 seconds on immunity? wow
You have a very significant amount of time to do whatever you want - attack, heal, whatever - while you are completely immune to everything and anything your opponent can possibly do to you for that duration.
Whoever doesn't think that mechanic of the bubble isn't extremely overpowered is an idiot.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
the problem with this is, i usually stun right away (of course) if it doesnt work i use repentance, so there goes that reflect
With the global cooldown for Paladin abilites, ret pallies I face one-on-one never get a crit-bonus on their Judgement of Command.
Ever.
Plus, if you Hammer me, all it does is feed me even more rage (and give me a 10-second HoT of about 1300), allowing me to disarm you even faster after the initial Reflect.
Originally posted by DarkC
Arcane mages save their trinket for Repentance and Blink for the Hammer of Justice.Plus, if you just Blessing of Freedom right off the bat they can just vanish and wait until the Blessing is up, then come out of Invisibility and re-Slow you and happily dance around spamming their instant casts until you die.
Arcane mage with cooldowns >>>>>>>>>>>> Ret Pally with cooldowns, end of story.
well if they feel like waiting for me to kill them before they get antsy and use their blink, so be it... I dont use my CD's til I see them blink.. which happens 100% of the time
also.. Consecrate >>>> Invis
Repent >>>>>> Blink
Freedom >>>>> Slow / Nova
I dont even need my human racial against an arcane mage...they're that fail
have you been playing with moron ret pallies or something?.. they're far more destructive than you care to admit
perhaps you have some personal hatred for ret pallies...
All my friends play each class /spec .. so I honestly dont mind any of them..
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
also.. Consecrate >>>> Invis
The chances of a retadin catching a Mage out of Invisibility with a Conscecrate after he disappears like that are nothing, if not astronomically small.
Most of the time I don't even see them using it for Blessing of Freedom, they just run away and spam Arcane Barrage, you'll do a decent amount of damage until Freedom wears off, then you're their plaything, essentially. They just save invis for bubble, and run out of LOS behind a pillar to Evocate and get all their health back.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Repent >>>>>> Blink
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Freedom >>>>> Slow / Nova
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
have you been playing with moron ret pallies or something?
Elfmaster was his old 2's partner, he was quite skilled as well.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
.. they're far more destructive than you care to admit
This whole time I was arguing on how they are overbuffed post-3.0.2. Why are you even bringing this up?
Ret paladins are more destructive and have more advantages now, but that doesn't stop the other buffed classes from utilizing their new abilities either, in this case arcane mages still have more.
Originally posted by DarkC
Which is why Posidon (the mage friend I know) just blinks behind them and immediately Vanishes. The retadins he faces don't even have time to turn around and Hammer before he disappears. His Blink cooldown is easily back up by the time Invisibility wears off anyhow.The chances of a retadin catching a Mage out of Invisibility with a Conscecrate after he disappears like that are nothing, if not astronomically small.
Most of the time I don't even see them using it for Blessing of Freedom, they just run away and spam Arcane Barrage, you'll do a decent amount of damage until Freedom wears off, then you're their plaything, essentially. They just save invis for bubble, and run out of LOS behind a pillar to Evocate and get all their health back.
Trinket.
I accounted for that above already.
No, I just have been playing with mages who know what they're doing.
Posidon goes as far as to duel people wearing full Spellstrike and carrying a Spiteblade just for laughs, he still wins.Elfmaster was his old 2's partner, he was quite skilled as well.
Have you been keeping up? I didn't just admit it, I openly complained about it earlier.
This whole time I was arguing on how they are overbuffed post-3.0.2. Why are you even bringing this up?
Ret paladins are more destructive and have more advantages now, but that doesn't stop the other buffed classes from utilizing their new abilities either, in this case arcane mages still have more.
Thats cute... cuz if they blinked and used invis, they couldnt find me to kill me and just wasted their time.. meanwhile my freedom is coming back, and so are both of my stuns.. times a wastin'
I've caught every idiot arcane I've managed to come across with it.. so /shrug.. kudos to your friend
why would I need to freedom as I approach them? lol.. thats retarded theorycraft
chances are I'd have mage food and would be able to do the same
I like how you enjoy thinking that they're going to save their trinket for EVERYTHING I have..cute 🙂
/shrug.. I havent even come across a post where you said that.. but honestly you cant begin to understand what ret was lacking before it got buffed that hard... now they over-nerfed a few aspects... but that doesnt stop me any
While I've killed more mages than I've lost to... a friend agrees this goes either way, depending on retarded theory craft
/salute
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Thats cute... cuz if they blinked and used invis, they couldnt find me to kill me and just wasted their time.. meanwhile my freedom is coming back, and so are both of my stuns.. times a wastin'
Your stuns are moot, they are easily capable of negating your use of that.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
I've caught every idiot arcane I've managed to come across with it.. so /shrug.. kudos to your friend
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
why would I need to freedom as I approach them? lol.. thats retarded theorycraft
By the manner in which you're speaking, it sounds as if you're talking specifically about BG and not one-on-one duels.
Judgement of Justice doesn't do anything against arcane mages - unless they're mounted. Even with your Pursuit of Justice you'd waste a big chunk of the Freedom just trying to catch up to them if they start out at max range.
Then after Freedom is up, they just reslow you and just spam instant-casts until you're dead.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
I like how you enjoy thinking that they're going to save their trinket for EVERYTHING I have..cute 🙂
Pay attention.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
/shrug.. I havent even come across a post where you said that.. but honestly you cant begin to understand what ret was lacking before it got buffed that hard... now they over-nerfed a few aspects... but that doesnt stop me any
The only new paladin buff that everyone else commonly hates is your attack-while-immune bubble.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
While I've killed more mages than I've lost to... a friend agrees this goes either way, depending on retarded theory craft/salute