At which point vader picks him up ( inspite of a broken arm and having the crap just kicked out of him by luke ) and dumps him at the bottom of the death star - and absorbed a fair deal of lightening himself in the process. All that sideous the hideous could do with all his dark side power was holler in helplessness.
We've seen sideous's worst in ROTJ - its not good ( or bad ) enough for vader.
But that is only because it was the fulfillment of the Prophecy.
I am sorry, but Vader clearly was treating Sidious as a superior being. The evidence is that Palpatine is more powerful in general. More powerful does not mean indestructible- especially from the one source he did not expect any more trouble from.
Exactly - fulfillment of the prophecy - Vader is the one guy in the galaxy who has the power to destroy sideous.
Look at the facts man - vader is twice as big, armed, etc.etc.
all that sideous has going for him is force and lightening - lightening ain't enough when it comes to vader - and force ? vader's the strongest with the force. and palpy's got NO lightsabre - just how is he going to stop vader from walking upto him and chopping his head off ?
And Vader's words of respect when addressing palpy doesn't imply palpy's superiority - it's just words of respect from one who has learnt to one who has taught - NOT in this case from pupil to master.
I think that respect speaks volumes. And if Anakin was more powerful why was he unable to defeat Palpatine?
Look, even YODA feared Palpatine.
I am afraid that only a mindless love of Vader could make someone think he was stronger than Palpy when the whole mood of ROTJ shows otherwise.
You should see some oif GL's original plans for Palpy, which had him totally humiliating Vader during the film!
Because Anakin was not Vader - Anakin's a student - Vader's a master. And it speaks volumes that whatever plans Lucas had to show Vader being humiliated, ( by the way how did you know of them ? ), he did not eventually include them in ROTJ - he wouldn't because NO one has the power to beat Vader, except HIS own son.
Vader's showing respect to Palpatine, because he learnt the ways of the dark side from him, plus it was palpy who set him up with his armour and all - so the respect; Vader would never even think of whether he was more powerful than his master or not.
and it's not a mindless love dude - Vader's not that dark haired babe in Roswell or something .... its just the facts - like I said, HOW is Palpy going to stop him from walking over to him and chopping his head off with a lightsabre ?
with the force...daaaaa
i mean someone who can light somebody up can do all sorts of things also, force lightning is pretty amazing and palpy does it without trying too much, he does it like if it was just speaking or walking (not difficult at all for him), if vader would walk to him with intentions of killing him with his lightsabre he would take his sabre off him or force push him away or something evil, he is evil evil evil and he has the force to use , he´s very smart and creative, he has all the instruments to create any force move he wants to.
Well, for whatever reason, GL did not use the original script which had the emperor being shown as very dominant and superior. And I think that has some significance. Also, I agree Sideous IS badass - anyone who can meet yoda day in and day out for more than a decade, and not let yoda, feel the slightest bit strange about him, HAS to be a BAD dude - no disputes there. All I'm saying is he wouldn't have enough to stop Vader - he stopped everyone else; and converted Anakin to the dark side and taught him it's ways, so the question of fighting him didn't arise.
I don't want to irritate Ush by repeating myself, but like I said in a previous post, all that siddy had going for him was :
1. Force lightening : This is NOT enough to stop Vader - Vader wouldn't crumble the way Luke fell apart - he's much too powerful for that to happen.
2. Force tricks : Well what's Vader going to do when palpy's using the force ? Count his fingers ? Nope. Vader's stronger with the force than anyone else.
AND FINALLY : siddy's got NO lightsabre - only lightening - and we haven't seen anymore mad powers from him in TPM, and from what we know from spoilers he isn't going to be doing anything newly spectacular in AOTC either;
so it's a clear logical equation guys. If the reason that Vader DID beat palpy was just a simple fulfillment of prophecy, and NOT because he was special or exceptionally powerful more than either sideous OR yoda, why would Lucas make him out to be special or exceptional ? ( highest midiclorean count etc. ) - even if he was a run of the mill jedi, he would have still stopped palpy because of the prophecy - what would be the need to make him extra special ? obviously to convey to us that Anakin / Vader IS special; not just another jedi, who's going to luckily by chance beat the baddest sith lord ( who even yoda couldn't beat ), because of the prophecy. That's why the line : " Even master yoda doesn't have a count that high." in TPM.
I've made it long again without the double line spacing ( sorry yers ), and repeated many things I've said elsewhere ( sorry Ush )
- but I do believe I have a pretty logical case in there.
Becaue Sidious (or Palpy) knows that Vader could beat him and makes Vader think that is not so. Plus, he helped Vader, so would you kill someone who helped you?
And Palpy (by the time of Ep. VI) is almost 100 years old. That's really old for a human. That's why in EU, he clones himself and goes into the younger clones.