why do creationists spend so much time trying to refute evolution instead of doing what scientist have done, finding evidence to prove their argument?.
creation is a myth, a story in a book written by man, translated (badly) and re-written (incorrectly) many times.
What about other religions that have different creation story's?
What about all the HARD evidence for evolution?
as for saying "apart from fossils what evidence is there?" thats like a defence lawyers at a murder trial saying "apart from all the forensic evidence & eyewitness accounts what evidence is there?"
as for the mathematical probability of life coming from evolution the numbers are massive, but so is the universe and its happened we are here so it can not be impossible, its like worrying about the odds after you have won the lottery.
the fact is you cant prove creationism, to do so would prove the existence of God (or some other higher being) and negate the need for faith.
and what will you creationists say if the probes currently on Mars find proof of life, past or present?
Jlibug> ll check bak to see when you've gone through the links I posted 🙂
In the meantime (as I'm quite busy these days) I'll just reply to your paragraph on Albert Einstein. The rest of the paragraph is correct. But, what happened was the following. Around the time when EInstein proposed his general theory of relativity (his theory for gravity), the general consesus was, that the Universe had always existed and was arond the size of the milkyway.
Einstein looked at his theory, the so-called Einstein Equations, and saw, that his theory predicted a Universe that was EITHER expanding or contracting. That wasn't what astronomers of those days thought, so Einstein stuck a constant into his equations "The cosmological constant", that should either stop the Universe if it was expanding, or keep it from contracting.
When Hubble concluded the universe was expanding, Einstein tossed his cosmological constant in the bin and called it "his greatest mistake."
However - Einstein may´ve been a greater genious than any of us know. In 1998 astronomers studying extremely distant supernova (massive exploding stars) realised that the Universe was more than just expanding - it's accelerating. Now, if you take EInsteins cosmological constant, stick it back into his equation and reverse "its sign", you get an accelerating Universe.
So - in conclusion. Einstein never called his theories of Relativity (there are two) a mistake. And he didn´t make a mistake either - he was merely a very humble man, who in 1916 didn't think his equations - showing a dynamic Universe - could be truer than the astronomical scientific community of his time.
(Later that day)
Julibug> Macroevolution doesn't happen overnight. However, the complete transitional fossils from dinosaurs to birds with no morphological gaps show macroevolution happens. No palaeontologists disagrees with this. In this case the experiments are different palaeontologists studying the same fossils and reaching the same conclusion.
As for other "proof", read the links I provided you with, please.
The Force> Well, I'm still waiting. And you will antagonize people by saying those who diagree with you are retarded. So, please, go ahead. Address the points I raised in my reply to you, and proove Creation to me.
BF> I have NO idea. Frankly.
Laws of God? I see zero divinity in gravity. Where is he?
Julie> Eh? So, a genius is near-divine or... ? Saint Albert? 😄
Rusky> Well, every moron with half a bran (or less) could've designed "male plumbing" better than it is.
And how are we to know if Finti could've thought WHAT up? What does Finti's creativity have to do with whether or not God created the Earth?
Chapel> 😄
Omega> Well, every moron with half a bran (or less) could've designed "male plumbing" better than it is.
And how are we to know if Finti could've thought WHAT up? What does Finti's creativity have to do with whether or not God created the Earth?
I was refering to how everything works toghether in nature... take a moment and observe the processes that take place when rain falls, water gets evaporated and turns into clouds and rains again... then look at the advanced hierarchical system most animal use, and even the complexity of a single cell, and millions of those that make up a living organism... that is complicated, and even if bilions of thousands of years ago it would've been somewhat less complex, it still would have been, quite hard (to say the least) to do..
And hey, I'm not saying that male plumbing couldn't be better, it's just that, as u said it' man-made...
Could u improve on a human beeing ? On thousands of years of evolution based on a flawless design ?
Ash007> But see, you have an – in my opinion – healthy approach to “more than meets the eye” or divinity or the supernatural. You don’t disagree with science, and your beliefs aren’t claiming highly educated researchers around the world are “wrong.”
Rusky> But no one or nothing DID anything – so the “quite hard” argument doesn’t work. Life-forms most adaptable to the current environment survives. Saying that just because something is complex it a divine power must be behind it is quite peculiar. Do you know how a Boeing 747 works? Do you claim it was build by God?
Yes, I could improve on a human being. I would “design” male plumbing better. Barring me being able to do that in a day, I could chose to mate with someone whose geneic make-up was perfectly compatible with mine. I’d be making a better human when giving birth. Actually, the whole idea of a MALE God, when women are the ones who gives birth is quite… peculiar… to say the least.
Julibug> One of the links didn’t work? Maybe I typed it wrong. Which one was it?
Yes, talkorigins links to Creationist sites as well to show some creationist ideas, which they refute.
I’m happy you’re open to debating this, Julibug, and as I’ve already stated, I’m not out to take your faith away from you. I have no beef with people who believe in the supernatural, even if I don’t, I have some serious “beef” with the idea that the Earth, the Solarsystem and the universe is 6000 years old.
The Force>… Still waiting…
Originally posted by The OmegaJulibug> One of the links didn’t work? Maybe I typed it wrong. Which one was it?
Yes, talkorigins links to Creationist sites as well to show some creationist ideas, which they refute.
I’m happy you’re open to debating this, Julibug, and as I’ve already stated, I’m not out to take your faith away from you. I have no beef with people who believe in the supernatural, even if I don’t, I have some serious “beef” with the idea that the Earth, the Solarsystem and the universe is 6000 years old.
When I click on this one http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html - it says "file not found." 🙁
About the age of the universe, I don't have a problem with it being older than that. I'm leaning toward the "old creationist" point of view right now.
I'm still digging through all of this. I'll let you know when I've read it all. My son has an ear infection in both ears - yuck. Needless to say, I didn't get much sleep the night before last - took him to the doctor yesterday - paid way too much for the medicine. Anyway, this has been more time consuming than a regular day of homeschool & piano lessons! Hopefully I'll have more time to read over the weekend. 🙂
God created life on earth then thought, I cant be bothered with this any more so he created evolution 🙂
Try this link
Rusky> True enough 😉
But “God” as used in Christianity is most definitely WHITE and MALE (even more odd, as the religion originated in the Middle East, where people are NOT white – OH, well).
Do you know what organic molecules are?
Yes, it’s impossible for the Universe to be 6000 years old. Light reach us from stars and galaxies millions of light-years away, carbon-14 dating tells us about life millions of years ago and so on and so forth. But Bishop Ussher took the bible sometime in the 16th or 17th century, went through it, and calculated that Creation took place 4004 years B.C.
Julibug> Weird. The link works fine for me. Try here http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html And chose links to evolution….
Oh, it worked now? 🙂 Cool. Maybe the site WAS down.
The Force> (Taps fingers)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Omega
But “God” as used in Christianity is most definitely WHITE and MALE (even more odd, as the religion originated in the Middle East, where people are NOT white – OH, well).QUOTE]
I may not be in the mainstream on this one, but I've never really pictured God that way. While I do refer to God as "He", I think of "him" more as a complete being - encompassing both male & female. I don't really think of a nationality either - back to the all in all thing. I really don't remember every having anyone in any church tell me any differently, either. I can see how some Christians might give that impression, though. 🙁